Mini 754 - Frogs Mafia Game, Set and Match.

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

2: dahill1

(scotmany12, MacavityLock)

1: Curiouskarmadog

(crywolf)

1: crywolf20084

(Raging Rabbit)

1: Gorrad

(kloud)

1: Haterade

(TSQ)
Not Voting:

Citizen Karne, MBF, Gorrad, dahill, Haterade, ckd

7 to lynch.

[kloud1516]

first, please point out where i've said nothing interesting has happened. as for who my suspicions are right now, it's true i haven't really made a set list yet because i'm still forming my opinions. i don't see how that's scummy.

Of course you never say that explicitly. That's the general feeling I'm getting from your posts, things that you think are mostly null-tells or slight town-tells. You're not scumhunting.

Saying things are null-tells or town-tells is attacking validity of an argument. People are attacking Haterade for something, Dahill thinks what he is doing is a nulltell, so he is attacking the validity of the case against haterade. That is part of scumhunting.

Saying things are null-tells or town-tells is attacking validity of an argument. People are attacking Haterade for something, Dahill thinks what he is doing is a nulltell, so he is attacking the validity of the case against haterade. That is part of scumhunting.

beat me to it
exactly, would you (MacavityLock) prefer that i don't point out what i think are null/town tells? then you would just accuse me of lurking

Fair points, but that's basically saying that you've found little to nothing suspicious so far, except for Gorrad's mild hypocrisy (which I disagree with by the way) and kloud's overuse of buzzwords. I still think my case is reasonable for page 6.

Finding nothing suspicious on so far makes dahill scum? Would you rather him vote for someone for a bullshit reason?

Why are you responding for dahill, scot? These are two instances in which you a) answer a question posed to dahill before he has even responded or b) jumped to his aid when he is perfectly capable of providing a train of logical reasoning to counter CK's arguments. I am not saying that I do not approve of you voicing your opinion on the matter, but both these posts, in my opinion, seem like you putting words in dahill's mouth or jumping to his defense when unnecessary.

unvote Gorrad

More to come shortly.

[Gorrad]

Wait...whut?

[scotmany12]

first, please point out where i've said nothing interesting has happened. as for who my suspicions are right now, it's true i haven't really made a set list yet because i'm still forming my opinions. i don't see how that's scummy.

Of course you never say that explicitly. That's the general feeling I'm getting from your posts, things that you think are mostly null-tells or slight town-tells. You're not scumhunting.

Saying things are null-tells or town-tells is attacking validity of an argument. People are attacking Haterade for something, Dahill thinks what he is doing is a nulltell, so he is attacking the validity of the case against haterade. That is part of scumhunting.

Saying things are null-tells or town-tells is attacking validity of an argument. People are attacking Haterade for something, Dahill thinks what he is doing is a nulltell, so he is attacking the validity of the case against haterade. That is part of scumhunting.

beat me to it
exactly, would you (MacavityLock) prefer that i don't point out what i think are null/town tells? then you would just accuse me of lurking

Fair points, but that's basically saying that you've found little to nothing suspicious so far, except for Gorrad's mild hypocrisy (which I disagree with by the way) and kloud's overuse of buzzwords. I still think my case is reasonable for page 6.

Finding nothing suspicious on so far makes dahill scum? Would you rather him vote for someone for a bullshit reason?

Why are you responding for dahill, scot? These are two instances in which you a) answer a question posed to dahill before he has even responded or b) jumped to his aid when he is perfectly capable of providing a train of logical reasoning to counter CK's arguments. I am not saying that I do not approve of you voicing your opinion on the matter, but both these posts, in my opinion, seem like you putting words in dahill's mouth or jumping to his defense when unnecessary.

unvote Gorrad

More to come shortly.

I am attacking the validity of MacavityLock's case on dahill. I never responded for dahill, I spoke my own mind. Dahill is free to say whatever the hell he wants; I never put words into his mouth. I'm supposed to sit back and not comment on something I disagree with? No, if I see something that I think is wrong, I'm going to comment on it.

[scotmany12]

also,

Unvote

[Gorrad]

Oh! I thought that said 'vote', rather than 'unvote'. Readfail! Sorry.

[mikeburnfire]

When I saw MBF's comment, the "fairly neutral on TSQ and dahill" looks exactly like a "I should probably mention my scumbuddy/ies at some point" post. I know it's early to be talking about buddies, but that comment really set off my alarms. As I currently have a town read on TSQ, that would leave dahill.

dahill's iso post 7 is better, but it's still of the "meh, not much of an opinion so far" variety.

I'm going to

unvote, vote: dahill

for now, and drop a

FoS: MBF

.

I truly hope your main reason for voting dahill isn't because of what I said.

Like I said, he seems to be adding not much to the game right now. Most of his comments have been about what he considers null-tells, which seems like a kind of active lurking.

Maybe, but if you're going to vote somebody for active lurking and useless comments, your vote would be more appropriately placed on a few other people.

Oh shoot, now I look like I'm defending my scumbuddy. Better change the topic fast...

vote: kloud

I get a bad vibe from his posts. Nothing about in particular, but it's a good place to put my vote until I find one.

[Raging Rabbit]

Scot, name two players you suspect and your reasoning please.

FoS gorrad

for constant active lurking.

[kloud1516]

Why are you responding for dahill, scot? These are two instances in which you a) answer a question posed to dahill before he has even responded or b) jumped to his aid when he is perfectly capable of providing a train of logical reasoning to counter CK's arguments.

I am not saying that I do not approve of you voicing your opinion on the matter,

but both these posts, in my opinion, seem like you putting words in dahill's mouth or jumping to his defense when unnecessary.

unvote Gorrad

More to come shortly.

I am attacking the validity of MacavityLock's case on dahill. I never responded for dahill, I spoke my own mind. Dahill is free to say whatever the hell he wants; I never put words into his mouth.

I'm supposed to sit back and not comment on something I disagree with?

No, if I see something that I think is wrong, I'm going to comment on it.[/quote]

Of course not, and I even said that is not what I meant by that post when I made it. I saw something that

I

thought was taking note of and questioning further, and I did so. Upon first reading your posts during that conversation, that was the impression I came to, so I wanted to ask about it.

[kloud1516]

Why are you responding for dahill, scot? These are two instances in which you a) answer a question posed to dahill before he has even responded or b) jumped to his aid when he is perfectly capable of providing a train of logical reasoning to counter CK's arguments. I am not saying that I do not approve of you voicing your opinion on the matter, but both these posts, in my opinion, seem like you putting words in dahill's mouth or jumping to his defense when unnecessary.

unvote Gorrad

More to come shortly.

I am attacking the validity of MacavityLock's case on dahill. I never responded for dahill, I spoke my own mind. Dahill is free to say whatever the hell he wants; I never put words into his mouth. I'm supposed to sit back and not comment on something I disagree with? No, if I see something that I think is wrong, I'm going to comment on it.

EBWOP ^^

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[dahill1]

sorry for not posting, marathon day and such

and again, why mention it? How were we suppose to know you start at 50%? Your posts so far seem fluffy. I need a point of reference to know what 70% means from you. Right now, you have left yourself room to maneuver around if you have to. What is my % and why? TSQ’s? Scot’s? Cry’s…and why? How does lurking affect your %s?

do you really think that he's scummy due to his grading (of scumminess) system? how is this any different from other players do? vollkan's a good example of this type of system.

also, i'm comfortable with a

vote Gorrad

right now for a few reasons.
one because of the clear hypocrisy he made in his calling out of Haterade.
next, i don't like how he dismisses the TSQ/Haterade as "WIFOM", which i don't really see how it is. it felt like he was commenting on it for the sake of commenting on it. finally, from what i remember of playing with him, he tends to be much more active and aggressive as town and i'm not seeing that in this game.

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont know what I think yet...I think he posts are fluffy. I think his numbers are apparently meaningless and I am urging him to put some meaning behind them. I think numbers and percentages are suspect without meaning behind them...do you have a problem with me asking him to provide other's percentages as well? You are right, vollkan DOES provide percentageS....not just one. This is not what vollkan does.

This is someone who basically said he is getting a scummy vibe on someone...then, when pressured a bit about it...backs off, that I also find suspect, and I am not sure how you are missing that point....the defense is noted.

[dahill1]

I dont know what I think yet...I think he posts are fluffy. I think his numbers are apparently meaningless and I am urging him to put some meaning behind them. I think numbers and percentages are suspect without meaning behind them...do you have a problem with me asking him to provide other's percentages as well? You are right, vollkan DOES provide percentageS....not just one. This is not what vollkan does.

This is someone who basically said he is getting a scummy vibe on someone...then, when pressured a bit about it...backs off, that I also find suspect, and I am not sure how you are missing that point....the defense is noted.

from your post, i was getting the impression that posting the percentages themselves was scummy; didn't see that you had included "without explanations". that makes more sense

[Gorrad]

sorry for not posting, marathon day and such

and again, why mention it? How were we suppose to know you start at 50%? Your posts so far seem fluffy. I need a point of reference to know what 70% means from you. Right now, you have left yourself room to maneuver around if you have to. What is my % and why? TSQ’s? Scot’s? Cry’s…and why? How does lurking affect your %s?

do you really think that he's scummy due to his grading (of scumminess) system? how is this any different from other players do? vollkan's a good example of this type of system.

also, i'm comfortable with a

vote Gorrad

right now for a few reasons.
one because of the clear hypocrisy he made in his calling out of Haterade.
next, i don't like how he dismisses the TSQ/Haterade as "WIFOM", which i don't really see how it is. it felt like he was commenting on it for the sake of commenting on it. finally, from what i remember of playing with him, he tends to be much more active and aggressive as town and i'm not seeing that in this game.

1. In which post did I call out Hatorade?
2. I didn't call the TSQ/Haterade argument WIFOM, I said my take on it was. In other words, if I stated my take on it, it would result in too much WIFOM that would muddle things up.
3. See Grimmmafia (not to be confused with Grimmafia). If I'm town, I have less of an active interest in the game and won't be very active unless either actively part of a conflict or if I smell a rat (like how I jumped when I thought a question was being answered that wasn't asked). If I'm scum, I've got more at stake trying to throw blame on others, so I'm more active. Give it time. I shouldn't be like this for long.

[scotmany12]

Scot, name two players you suspect and your reasoning please.

FoS gorrad

for constant active lurking.

Why did you decide to single me out for this? Why did you not ask any of the other people who are not voting? How bout crywolf whos vote was a random vote?

[Citizen Karne]

3. See Grimmmafia (not to be confused with Grimmafia). If I'm town, I have less of an active interest in the game and won't be very active unless either actively part of a conflict or if I smell a rat (like how I jumped when I thought a question was being answered that wasn't asked). If I'm scum, I've got more at stake trying to throw blame on others, so I'm more active. Give it time. I shouldn't be like this for long.

I don't like this post very much at all. Self-metas are okay in some situations trying to prove some points, but this is not one of them.

[Citizen Karne]

24 hours with no posts? Odd.

[Gorrad]

3. See Grimmmafia (not to be confused with Grimmafia). If I'm town, I have less of an active interest in the game and won't be very active unless either actively part of a conflict or if I smell a rat (like how I jumped when I thought a question was being answered that wasn't asked). If I'm scum, I've got more at stake trying to throw blame on others, so I'm more active. Give it time. I shouldn't be like this for long.

I don't like this post very much at all. Self-metas are okay in some situations trying to prove some points, but this is not one of them.

A fair opinion. What would you prefer?

[Raging Rabbit]

Scot, name two players you suspect and your reasoning please.

FoS gorrad

for constant active lurking.

Why did you decide to single me out for this? Why did you not ask any of the other people who are not voting? How bout crywolf whos vote was a random vote?

Answer my question first.

[curiouskarmadog]

24 hours with no posts? Odd.

funny you mention no posts...but you dont reply to my email...why is that?

[curiouskarmadog]

actually, ..the more I think about it, the more I dont like.

vote Citizen Karne.

for trying to look protown, while ignoring questions. Fluffy numbers. back tracking under pressure.

[curiouskarmadog]

Mod: any luck with Cry?

sry for triple post

[Gorrad]

24 hours with no posts? Odd.

funny you mention no posts...but you dont reply to my email...why is that?

Email?

[mikeburnfire]

*tumbleweed*

[scotmany12]

Scot, name two players you suspect and your reasoning please.

FoS gorrad

for constant active lurking.

Why did you decide to single me out for this? Why did you not ask any of the other people who are not voting? How bout crywolf whos vote was a random vote?

Answer my question first.

No, I'm good. You'll know when I'm ready to vote for someone.