Mafia 759: Street Fighter 4 Mafia-That's Game!

[SpyreX]

I assume you mean mine?

Because Porkens giving flavor for this doesn't chance anything thats went down.

And if Sensfan says "I'm an untargettable vig" that STILL doesn't change anything that went down.

...and why the hell would you want/expect him to amend his claim?

[rokovoj]

It completely changes things. Porkens doesn't have a guilty on Sens. He just knows that someone who is probably Sens has a killing role.

I want to know if Sens wants to change his claim since he is now being accused of something else. He has already said that he's not a stranger to lying as both alignments.

[UltimaAvalon]

Sens already stated the reason he didnt immediately refute Porkens' claim was to give him an oppurtunity to admit he might be wrong without him having to claim. Porkens refused.

I'm an Untargetable Townie.

Any role that targets me is blocked, and any role that would get a result from targetting me gets none.

Where does this say "I'm vig?"

Also, it may be entirely feasible that both Porky and Sens are telling the truth, and Porks was redirected. So, you're wrong. Porky's ammended claim, Sens's claim, and Rok bringing up redirecting does, in fact, change everything.

[SpyreX]

No, according to what Sens said: it is impossible for Porkens to have an ANYTHING on him. Changing it to "killing role" or "loves butterflies" or anything doesn't alter the fact that between what Sens said and what Porkens said there has to be a lie (barring a redirect of Porkens).

Thus the only thing that alters anything is the introduction of a redirect.

This, however, does not alter that the whole discussion about sanities was a giant herring that makes no sense coming from an "untargetable" role.

So, no, Porkens "amended" claim doesn't alter it. If Sens says he's a vig and isn't actually untargettable I want him dead.

So I still hold to there is a much higher chance of Sens being scum AND the correct lynch choice in this mess than Porkens (as per Sens suggestion).

[UltimaAvalon]

Wait.....I think you're right...

nope.

Tzneenth's response to my report, by the way, is pretty suspect.

No vote, either way, very non-committal to a black and white situation. FOS.

In that case you're Insane, Paranoid, or Scum.

If he's untargetable he should've never said this

[SpyreX]

THANK YOU

Good lord I was starting to doubt my own sanity there for a minute.

[UltimaAvalon]

Halt!

Vote: SensFan

Hammernzeit

[SensFan]

No, according to what Sens said: it is impossible for Porkens to have an ANYTHING on him. Changing it to "killing role" or "loves butterflies" or anything doesn't alter the fact that between what Sens said and what Porkens said there has to be a lie (barring a redirect of Porkens).

Thus the only thing that alters anything is the introduction of a redirect.

This, however, does not alter that the whole discussion about sanities was a giant herring that makes no sense coming from an "untargetable" role.

So, no, Porkens "amended" claim doesn't alter it. If Sens says he's a vig and isn't actually untargettable I want him dead.

So I still hold to there is a much higher chance of Sens being scum AND the correct lynch choice in this mess than Porkens (as per Sens suggestion).

You, sir, have ignored everything I have written.

Why the FUCK would I claim when there was a bagillion more evidence for PorkensGambittingTown than there is for PorkensBigBallsScum?

[SensFan]

Oh, look. That was the hammer.

Alright, so I'm the Mafia Godfather. I

am

still untargetable, though, so Porkens is still lying. And I reacted the way I would if I was Town and knew someone was lying. And I stand by the 40% sane Cops in a Mini modded by a good Mod. Oh, and there's still a handfull of dumbasses in this game who got lucky the liar happened to lie about Scum. And yes, Tzeench, that includes you.

[Porkens]

Hah, well, I guess Sens beat me to the punch;

I have been lying to you all, I'm sorry to say.

I am Dhalsim, I am a cop (well, killing-role sensor if you will), and I did target jakep last night...

But, I

was

roleblocked.


I lied because I was confident that jakep was scum. Sens' reaction with the "paranoia" argument was...questionable, but I was dead certain I was right when he changed his claim (because I don't think town would have 'given me the chance to retract my claim' by making such an argument, I think they would just have lead out with "I'm untargetable.")

I also kept up the lie because, initially anyway, I hoped to draw out the roleblocker. Actually, I thought it was rokovoj, for this:

That is... curious. Would also like to hear reasoning behind choice.

the "... curious" implies, to me, that roko knew a little more about the situation than she should. I'm leaning towards roko being scum instead of roleblocker, specifically, now, for the same reason.

Oh, hey we forgot to test Empking (lol). On that subject, if the mafia decide to nightkill me tonight, I'll leave you all with this; There's an important exchange between myself and Emp, somewhere in this thread. However, you should infer no belief on my part as to Emp's alignment.

Sens' distancing from Tzneetch is questionable.

Aaaaaand this is a bullshit post:

Hey guys, back...

I'mma read up on Sensfan/jakep before voting too.

So,

FOS

on Rokojov, Sironigous, and Tzneetch.

If I were vig, I'd shoot UA.

[Sironigous]

I have a headache now.

[UltimaAvalon]

Two things bug me right now Porks.

1) It still doesn't make sense to me why you targeted jakep. You only mentioned him once or twice yesterday. Gotta be more to it than "he lurked"

2) Why do you want to out the Roleblocker? Just because he targeted you doesn't mean he's scum ya know.

[rokovoj]

Well thanks for telling scum I'm the roll blocker. I might as well get this in now should scum decide to kill me tonight.

To be more precise, I'm E. Honda, jailer, and I body slammed you with my sumo powers.

Today I thought either you were scum or you were the cop and I was redirected. I had planned on jailing you again tonight, and I doubt someone would redirect me two nights in a row, so if I blocked you and you claimed results again tomorrow, I would claim and expose you. (I also doubted that I was roll blocked, since that's one of my functions and I don't think there'd be two in one game.)

Another post coming in a little bit.

[SensFan]

(because I don't think town would have 'given me the chance to retract my claim' by making such an argument, I think they would just have lead out with "I'm untargetable.")

The exact situation that you just caused shows exactly why the fuck I wouldn't have claimed right off the bat.

[rokovoj]

Based on Sens's claim, I think Porkens is town. I can prove my role if I jail you again. I don't think the town trusts anyone else to report whether or not they were blocked. Do you want me to? You'll miss an investigation, but unless we have a doctor in addition to a cop, a tracker, and a jailer, I think you'll be dead tomorrow.

I can random between jailing you or someone else if you want, so scum doesn't know whether they should target me or target you. This plan doesn't confirm my role, though.

[Porkens]

Jailing me (or anyone else) wouldn't prove your alignment, so I don't really see the point. I don't think anyone is going to counter-claim roleblocker on ya. There's no reason not to believe you.

I still have my doubts about the scum nightkilling me. There's way too much WIFOM on my head. This

could

all be a clever ruse by me and SensFan.

Hehe; "miss an investigation"... like that'd stop me

I'd rather take my chances with a nightkill, since you asked.

[rokovoj]

I sure as hell wouldn't bus an untargettable godfather (assuming Sens was telling the truth), so I'm nearly 100% sure you're town.

Hm, you're right about not confirming my alignment. I was going to say jailer is pro-town, while role blocker can be either, but unless you're blocked

and

there's no kill tonight, then only the role blocker part of my role is confirmed.

I'll pick someone on my own then.

[SpyreX]

So Sens IS Scum AND Porkens WAS Lying AND the Jailer has came out?

AND this was all found out after UA saw the light and dropped the WTF hammer.

Awesome.

Just.

Awesome.

[UltimaAvalon]

I hoped to draw out the roleblocker

WHY

the Jailer has came out?...Awesome.

WHY

[SpyreX]

My awesome is filled with sarcasm

[UltimaAvalon]

my question is devoid of answer

[Porkens]

my question is devoid of answer

clearly it wasn't important enough

[rokovoj]

I would like to know.

[Blackberry]

Sens repeated use of the F-word leads me to believe he is over angry mafia. I haven't read everything, just skimmed, but I'm fairly certain if you were "untargetable" you would have mentioned that earlier, not wait till you were asked to, cuz I can't see a con to claiming that role if you are it? I'm not up to date on NEW roles, but I find untargetable to be a stretch, though I imagine it MAY be possible.

[SpyreX]

The fact he said he was mafia lends me to believe he is, in fact, mafia.

Welcome to today.