Wheel of Time Mafia: Rip in the Pattern (GAME OVER)

[Sajin]

It wasn't a mess of a post, it actually makes sense, Cyberbob.
Why?
Aes Sedai have to tell the truth and darkfriends have to lie, so we can use that to our advantage.

IF scum HAD to lie, then I would totally support your theories (and every game of mafia would be incredibly easy). Also there may be more than heaven and death roads. There could be serial killers in purgatory.

[julienvonwolfe]

It wasn't a mess of a post, it actually makes sense, Cyberbob.
Why?
Aes Sedai have to tell the truth and darkfriends have to lie, so we can use that to our advantage.

How?

Maybe later in the game if we find a player is AS, we can examine their posts as we will have had assurance that they were not lying.

At this point, though, you'd have to out the AS to use the fact that they're not lying, and outing them at this point is dumb.

[fuzzylightning]

Honestly, I am starting to wonder what Shadow Knight is playing at right now, he seems very transfixed on the Aes Sedai and I don't know what he is trying to accomplish at this time.

FoS: Shadow Knight

. What are you hoping to accomplish with all this talk of AS?

The mini should be taken into account for very little in this game, because if you look in the large theme ideas thread, Kinetic stated that he was going to change things around.

Vote: fuzzylightning

Are you voting for Shadow Knight for anything besides that he is talking about Aes Sedai? That appears to be the subject around which the game is revolving right now, so why single him out?

I was singling him out, because I don't know what he is trying to do with all his talk of Aes Sedai, whereas everyone else was pretty clear in their posts, hence the FoS and not the vote.

@Fabian:
What the hell are you saying there, you have me completely confused as to what you want to happen. You are trying to find the people who tell the truth and the people who lie? That just seems like a bad idea, and I am kinda tired of all these schemes to find out who is and isn't an Aes Sedai, they really don't help the town at all.

Unvote, Vote: Fabian

. You're play seems very much, I am trying to help the town to make me seem townish but your overall goal seems scummy to me.

[xxFabianxx]

"IF scum HAD to lie, then I would totally support your theories (and every game of mafia would be incredibly easy). Also there may be more than heaven and death roads"

Dude, the idea of the game is that scum have to lie because of their allegiance, and Aes Sedai and town can tell the truth!

I don't want to out any Aes Sedai, it seems most people are against my idea, I just thought I would put it out there.
I don't see any difference in my idea and the thought of getting everyone to say "I am not scum" like people were doing earlier, and in the mini WOT, I'm just trying to take make sure the questions are foolproof and peple can't avoid telling the truth.

[Faraday]

@ Kison: Yes you were correct

I wasn't making a filler post, I can't figure out what the question would be, but I do know that with some smarts it could be effective.

This whole post seems filler, I mean the riddle doesn't even seem very relevant and it's just, I'm not even sure where the start of it came from. I don't really even understand it, it seems your logic is flawed tho' as is the analogy to the riddle.

Bob is correct in 117 too in that there's going to be nothing like that, as it wouldn't make sense.

MacavityLock; Verin is an enigma, for sure. But we still don't really know enough about her, in the books. She's obviously not B.A. but yeh, still I think. Let's not hypothesise too much about possible roles anyway. P

Aes Sedai have to tell the truth and darkfriends have to lie, so we can use that to our advantage.

Lie ...in regards to what? Their alliegance? Yes, but they can tell the truth at times too

Fabian, from what I can work out your idea is quite frankly not very good. It's not 100% making sense to me on how you felt we could exploit it, but suffice to say I think it'll do more harm and good.

[Faraday]

EBWOP: Ugh some of my sentence structure there is fairly appalling, sorry I'm tired

[xxFabianxx]

Euch...

Look...

I have no idea what the hell I was talking about last night, I had been drinking for 12+ hours when I got home and went online, and now I'm going back to bed.

I'll read the thread again later.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Honestly, I am starting to wonder what Shadow Knight is playing at right now, he seems very transfixed on the Aes Sedai and I don't know what he is trying to accomplish at this time.

FoS: Shadow Knight

. What are you hoping to accomplish with all this talk of AS?

The mini should be taken into account for very little in this game, because if you look in the large theme ideas thread, Kinetic stated that he was going to change things around.

Vote: fuzzylightning

Are you voting for Shadow Knight for anything besides that he is talking about Aes Sedai? That appears to be the subject around which the game is revolving right now, so why single him out?

I was singling him out, because I don't know what he is trying to do with all his talk of Aes Sedai, whereas everyone else was pretty clear in their posts, hence the FoS and not the vote.

@Fabian:
What the hell are you saying there, you have me completely confused as to what you want to happen. You are trying to find the people who tell the truth and the people who lie? That just seems like a bad idea, and I am kinda tired of all these schemes to find out who is and isn't an Aes Sedai, they really don't help the town at all.

Unvote, Vote: Fabian

. You're play seems very much, I am trying to help the town to make me seem townish but your overall goal seems scummy to me.

Something is very wrong about this post.

Vote: fuzzylightning

[Isacc]

Given Van Damien's role from last game (which tl;dr was a town role which may have gone insane), I didn't think it was out of the realm of possibility that there was a role bound by the no-lying post restriction that currently has a town win cond but may not in the future. If someone refused to say the second part of the sentence ("I am not aware of any circumstance in which I do not win with town."), that would be an indication that we'd probably need to either immediately or eventually get rid of them.

Yes, VanDamien could eventually become not-town. However, VanDamien wasn't bound to the three oaths.

The ONLY people bound to the three oaths are Aes Sedai, and the ONLY people in the entire books that could not lie were Aes Sedai. So, unless you can figure some reason why an Aes Sedai would suddenly become a SK or other non-town role, then this whole pursuit was pointless.

My beef with this is different though. ML, being in the mini, should have known that last time all this little plan did was distract the town and cause arguments over things that did not help scumhunting in the least.

So, I say,

FoS:MacavityLock

for distracting the town.

I do think it can only harm the game if people come in with a dislike towards a certain player simply for something as simple as a disagrement about playstyle.
WIt's a valid point, we're all human and we have bias, and I don't think we should have been allowed to speak before the game started, that's why I didn't, and I think what I said before is a valid point, not about this game but about mafia games in general.

I apologise for being vague before when I said we should be more clear with our questions, but I did actually have a point about the questions, I just failed to convey it.
What I was hinting at was the age old riddle.

"You stand at a fork in the road. Next to each of the two forks, there stands a guard. You know the following things: 1. One path leads to Paradise, the other to Death.
One of the two guards always tells the truth, and the other guard always lies.
Unfortunately, it is impossible for you to distinguish between the two guards.
You may ask one question to one guard. What do you ask?

I'm honestly not sure how to ask the question in this situation, but if we have a group who can't lie and a group who lie, we can use this, right?

I wasn't making a filler post, I can't figure out what the question would be, but I do know that with some smarts it could be effective.

Ok, this is bad. BAD. The group who can't lie is Aes Sedai,

pro-town

. Any sort of situation where we out the honest people is

an attempt to out pro-town power roles

.

[quote="Fabian]Aes Sedai have to tell the truth and darkfriends have to lie, so we can use that to our advantage.[/quote]

NO! WRONG! Aes Sedai have to tell the truth. Darkfriends do whatever the hell they want to. Your strategy here will ONLY out Aes Sedai. Bad bad bad baaaad.


I think we need to stop discussing schemes and plans to try and break the game in Day 1, and instead try looking for scum, yes? All this speculation is starting to make me uneasy...

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: fuzzylighting

Fuzzy needs more prodding as his posts have been scum-tastic.

[fuzzylightning]

What is so scum-tastic about my posts? Both you and ABR say my posts look scummy, but say nothing about them, maybe if you tell me what you don't like about them, I can clarify, but I can't clarify if I don't know what you don't like about them.

[MacavityLock]

My beef with this is different though. ML, being in the mini, should have known that last time all this little plan did was distract the town and cause arguments over things that did not help scumhunting in the least.

So, I say,

FoS:MacavityLock

for distracting the town.

Does the "distracting from scumhunting" argument work when we were in the middle of RVs?

[Knight of Cydonia]

This whole speculation is so painful.
Wake me when it ends.

[MrBuddyLee]

Hi, I'm playing in Tucking Fypo's stead. In his two posts, he said nothing of relevance.

Knight of Cydonia, please tell us who you suspect and why.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Right now? On Day 1 with 6 pages of role speculation and bullshit about how best we can do the scum's job by outing potential Aes Sedai for them? Pretty damn much everyone stupid enough to take part in such a worthless sidetrack, because the more of this deliberately obfuscating crap clogs up the thread, the harder finding scum becomes, and I'm pretty damn sure that most of this crap is coming from scum.

[Kinetic]

It looks like people have stopped coming to the town now, but no one is leaving. You would think they all intended to live here now... Or die here.

- From the Journal of Jardor Calol

The Third Vote Count

1. (0) Mr. Flay -
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (3)
   fuzzylightning - Kison, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim
   
4. (2)
   MacavityLock - hasdgfas, Shadow Knight
   
5. (0) Seraphim -
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (1)
   Cyberbob - MacavityLock
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (1)
   Tenchi - Sajin
   
10. (0) Albert B. Rampage -
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (2)
    Mastermind of Sin - Mr. Flay, Mufasa
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (2)
    Shadow Knight - Faraday, Kairyuu
    
17. (0) Mufasa -
    
18. (1)
    SpyreX - Mastermind of Sin
    
19. (1)
    xxFabianxx - fuzzylightning
    
20. (0) Myndrunner -
    
21. (0) Faraday -
    
22. (0) Sajin -
    
23. (0) hasdgfas -
    
24. (0) Knights of Cydonia -
    
25. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
26. (0) Kison -

Votes Required to Lynch:

14

Not Voting (13): Isaac, julienvonwolfe, Cyberbob, Tenchi, armlx, Slicey, Tuberkulos, Moratorium, SpyreX, xxFabianxx, Myndrunner, Knights of Cydonia, MrBuddyLee

FoS Count

1. (0) Mr. Flay -
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (0) fuzzylightning -
   
4. (3)
   MacavityLock - Seraphim, Mr. Flay, Isacc
   
5. (0) Seraphim -
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (0) Cyberbob -
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (0) Tenchi -
   
10. (0) Albert B. Rampage -
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (0) Mastermind of Sin -
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (3)
    Shadow Knight - Cyberbob, fuzzylightning, Knight of Cydonia
    
17. (0) Mufasa -
    
18. (0) SpyreX -
    
19. (0) xxFabianxx -
    
20. (0) Myndrunner -
    
21. (0) Faraday -
    
22. (0) Sajin -
    
23. (0) hasdgfas -
    
24. (0) Knights of Cydonia -
    
25. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
26. (0) Kison -

Not FoSing (20): MacavityLock, julienvonwolfe, Kairyuu, Tenchi, Albert B. Rampage, armlx, Slicey, Mastermind of Sin, Tuberkulos, Moratorium, Shadow Knight, Mufasa, SpyreX, xxFabianxx, Myndrunner, Faraday, Sajin, hasdgfas, MrBuddyLee, Kison

Current Deadline:

May 15, 2009 at ~11:59 PM EDT (GMT -4)

First Mod Deadline Review:

May 1, 2009 at ~11:59 PM EDT (GMT -4)

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote, Vote: fuzzylightning

First you FoS Shadow Knight for his talk of Aes Sedai while he is trying to stop people from outing them, then you vote Fabian for trying to out Aes Sedai? This is not only inconsistent, but it smells a bit fishy to me as well.

[fuzzylightning]

No, I was FoSing Shadow because I wasn't sure what he was getting at, and all I really wanted him to do was to explain what he wanted to happen a little more clearly, now if he has done that, I will gladly take off the FoS. My vote on Fabian is completely for trying to out Aes Sedai and for trying to find a way to implement a plan that would be very harmful to the town.

Looking back on the thread now, it has become clear that Shadow doesn't want to out the AS, so with that

UnFoS

, I apologize for any confusion as I had missed Shadow's post where it was clear he didn't want to out the AS.

[MrBuddyLee]

Right now? On Day 1 with 6 pages of role speculation and bullshit about how best we can do the scum's job by outing potential Aes Sedai for them? Pretty damn much everyone stupid enough to take part in such a worthless sidetrack, because the more of this deliberately obfuscating crap clogs up the thread, the harder finding scum becomes, and I'm pretty damn sure that most of this crap is coming from scum.

So who would that be, in order from worst to least offenders?

[Faraday]

Right now? On Day 1 with 6 pages of role speculation and bullshit about how best we can do the scum's job by outing potential Aes Sedai for them? Pretty damn much everyone stupid enough to take part in such a worthless sidetrack, because the more of this deliberately obfuscating crap clogs up the thread, the harder finding scum becomes, and I'm pretty damn sure that most of this crap is coming from scum.

This seems like an incredibly over the top response to a simple question.
It also (in?)directly avoids the question by not giving any names.

Could you elaborate a bit, maybe instead of making vague statements about crap coming from scum.

[Slicey]

ugh, this game is moving fast, and the fact that I've never even heard of Wheel of Time is making this difficult. I'll read the topic and post some opinions soon. Question though: are these Aes Sedai guys bad guys or good guys in the books?

[Isacc]

No, I was FoSing Shadow because I wasn't sure what he was getting at, and all I really wanted him to do was to explain what he wanted to happen a little more clearly, now if he has done that, I will gladly take off the FoS. My vote on Fabian is completely for trying to out Aes Sedai and for trying to find a way to implement a plan that would be very harmful to the town.

Looking back on the thread now, it has become clear that Shadow doesn't want to out the AS, so with that

UnFoS

, I apologize for any confusion as I had missed Shadow's post where it was clear he didn't want to out the AS.

Backpedaling. Enough said.

Upgrade:

Vote: MacavityLock

[MacavityLock]

Upgrade:

Vote: MacavityLock

Why?

[hasdgfas]

No, I was FoSing Shadow because I wasn't sure what he was getting at, and all I really wanted him to do was to explain what he wanted to happen a little more clearly, now if he has done that, I will gladly take off the FoS. My vote on Fabian is completely for trying to out Aes Sedai and for trying to find a way to implement a plan that would be very harmful to the town.

Looking back on the thread now, it has become clear that Shadow doesn't want to out the AS, so with that

UnFoS

, I apologize for any confusion as I had missed Shadow's post where it was clear he didn't want to out the AS.

Why would Fabian's plan be harmful to the town?

Where do you see that he says that he doesn't want to out the AS?
Why are you so quick to trust that if you thought he was before? Of course he's going to deny it.
I have to agree with Isacc here about the backpedaling.

[Seraphim]

I like my vote.

Also, Slicey, Aes Sedai are pretty much female magicians who have taken an oath(check the first post). They are generally "good" but don't always support the agenda of the main characters in the book. Generally manipulative.