Wheel of Time Mafia: Rip in the Pattern (GAME OVER)

[Seraphim]

Also, Fabian's plan is just about as useful as ML's. I think all the set-up speculation needs to STOP. Scum hunt more, please.

[Moratorium]

A few observations. I've been trying to keep an eye on the flavour...

And none of the people who milled around the area looked like mercenaries or sellswords. On the contrary many of them looked like camp followers.

What's a camp follower? Is this a description of us as a whole? Are we all groupies?

"You stand at a fork in the road. Next to each of the two forks, there stands a guard. You know the following things: 1. One path leads to Paradise, the other to Death.
One of the two guards always tells the truth, and the other guard always lies.
Unfortunately, it is impossible for you to distinguish between the two guards.
You may ask one question to one guard. What do you ask?

This riddle isn't relevant, as has been pointed out by many, as it would only apply here if scum was forced to lie every time they spoke. It does have an answer though.

"What path would the other guard point to if I asked him which path led to Paradise?"

And then you choose the path the guard doesn't point to.

And I'm surprised at how little attention this has received...

I'm honestly not sure how to ask the question in this situation, but if we have a group who can't lie and a group who lie, we can use this, right?

Aes Sedai have to tell the truth and darkfriends have to lie, so we can use that to our advantage.

Actually I think it makes perfect sense.

I don't want to out any Aes Sedai, it seems most people are against my idea, I just thought I would put it out there.

...followed by...

I have no idea what the hell I was talking about last night, I had been drinking for 12+ hours when I got home and went online, and now I'm going back to bed.

The Drunk defense. An outright attempt at moving the conversation towards outing power roles, followed by the Drunk defense.

vote: xxFabianxx

[fuzzylightning]

Why would Fabian's plan be harmful to the town?

Because he is trying to find the perfect question which will more than likely out any Aes Sedai that may be in this game and will hopefully out possible scum, and thus giving the scum a very good idea of who they want to go after during the night. That is why I don't like his plan.

Where do you see that he says that he doesn't want to out the AS?
Why are you so quick to trust that if you thought he was before? Of course he's going to deny it.
I have to agree with Isacc here about the backpedaling.

He says it in post 96 I believe was the number, and as I said, I had missed that post at first glance because it was a small post whereas most of his other posts had been rather long. And the reason I trust it is because it was posted before my FoS, so he wasn't denying it because I was accusing him, which I wasn't accusing him anyway, but that's semantics.

[armlx]

Finals suck, see signature. Missing the early game also sucks.

[Shadow Knight]

I would have thought my intention was clear. I want the speculation about what we can ask people to stop. The best plan for the town to retain what are potentially powerful roles is to keep them hidden. I don't like Fabian's drunk defense and i also don't like fuzzy's play thus far.

[Mr. Flay]

"You stand at a fork in the road. Next to each of the two forks, there stands a guard. You know the following things: 1. One path leads to Paradise, the other to Death.
One of the two guards always tells the truth, and the other guard always lies.
Unfortunately, it is impossible for you to distinguish between the two guards.
You may ask one question to one guard. What do you ask?

I'm honestly not sure how to ask the question in this situation, but if we have a group who can't lie and a group who lie, we can use this, right?

No; Aes Sedai can utter an untruth if they

believe

it to be true. Thus, asking player A whether or not they think B is scum isn't going to help, because if A is scum, they're not bound by the Three Oaths (I'll stake the game on this statement, because otherwise it's entirely possible to break the game wide open), and if A is town, at

best

they will be able to say they don't know if B is town or not, which is what we all already know already. At

worst

it'll out Mason pairs like the Aes Sedai/Warders from last game, which is NOT A GOOD IDEA.

Unvote, Vote: xxFabianxx

- you are actively stalling and not doing anything useful. Improve soon or be the D1 lynch, please.

(I apologize if this post has already been covered, but I was out all day yesterday and most of Saturday and am still rereading)

Slicey: Argh. This is why I hate when people sign up for themes they know nothing about.

[Shadow Knight]

Actually, I didn't know much about the theme either, but I found the wiki and google to be immensely helpful.

[xxFabianxx]

I've been in bed for two days.
The posts I made with my "theory" were made after a heavy night of drinking when I came home and went online.

"The drunk defense", Moratorium? Are you serious? Do you think I'd post blatantly stupid bullshit like "Darkfriends have to lie" had I been thinking clearly?
And now you're one of several who come in and say "Oh maybe this hasn't been said before but this riddle isn't relevant", including Mr Flay just now.
For some reason my posts made perfect sense at the time, even though usually I actually do know that Darkfriends are not forced to lie all the time.

I'm going to nip this in the bud quickly so I don't waste anyone elses time, I'm Semia Chesmady, and I'm the Town Wisdom.
If I get lynched anyway for drunken posting it'll teach me a lesson later.

PS. The theory about making everyone say "My win conditions are with the town" is equally as useless as my drunk one, it just took less words to say it.

[hasdgfas]

unvote, vote: xxFabianxx

Unnecessary claim this early makes me think it's scum who have a fakeclaim they want to get our there.

[Shadow Knight]

Can someone who knows the series ask him some flavor about his claim please?

[hasdgfas]

Can someone who knows the series ask him some flavor about his claim please?

You can still ask him about flavor, even if you don't understand it. Others still will.

But I'll humor you.

fabian, flavor please?

[xxFabianxx]

Nah, it wasn't unnecessary.
I could easily see the votes piling up on me because of my drunk theories.
I made several stupid, drunken posts.
Unfortunately that's why I'm in a bad position now and that's all the defense I'll ever be able to give you.
Since people know I said I was drunk and seem not to believe me, then me continuing to say "I was drunk, I was drunk" over the next few days is only wasting peoples time.

[xxFabianxx]

Yep, flavor.

Semia Chesmady, the town wisdom.
I have the active ability to heal a person, I'm a doctor.
I have the passive ability to detect when someone else weaves the power, but I can not tell alignment.

I have never been tutored in how to channel the power, so I can unlock abilities later if I find a certain Aes Sedai to train me.
I can unlock the ability to still someone with the help of other Aes Sedai, but I can't do it yet.

[hasdgfas]

Yep, flavor.

Semia Chesmady, the town wisdom.
I have the active ability to heal a person, I'm a doctor.
I have the passive ability to detect when someone else weaves the power, but I can not tell alignment.

I have never been tutored in how to channel the power, so I can unlock abilities later if I find a certain Aes Sedai to train me.
I can unlock the ability to still someone with the help of other Aes Sedai, but I can't do it yet.

that's not flavor?

[Moratorium]

I could easily see the votes piling up on me because of my drunk theories.

Doctor claim at L-10? Are you drunk now?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: xxFabianxx

Doctor claim at L-10 lmao

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote vote xxFabianxx

That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard, beating the preposterous Michael claim of q21 in War in Heaven mafia.

The quick successive timing of the post might indicate that Fabian didn't consult with his scumgroup before this incredibly stupid claim that will get him lynched rightfully.

[xxFabianxx]

Cow, it is? I can't quote the PM, as you know, what are you looking for?
Moratorium, my reasons are already posted, time wasting etc. etc. etc.
ABR, Nah, I was online, so I posted, I have no reason not too.

Meh, I give up, I was lynched the moment I logged in drunk.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You claimed doctor. Do you have any idea how stupid that is?

Who's going to protect you now? The roleblocker? LOL

You screwed yourself dude. Not voting you now would just lead to a chain of wifom if you survive in subsequent days.

[hasdgfas]

Cow, it is?

yep

I can't quote the PM, as you know, what are you looking for?

Flavor. Aka reasons for why you're here and why your abilities are what they are. There's a little bit of that in your post, but it's mostly. "I have X ability"

[xxFabianxx]

You screwed yourself dude. Not voting you now would just lead to a chain of wifom if you survive in subsequent days.

Fair point, I'll remember that for the future

I dunno Cow, if you knew the books you'd understand my abilities from what I wrote, at least I think so.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ugh.

Unvote: fabian

[Moratorium]

That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard

that I now apparently believe

, beating the preposterous Michael claim of q21 in War in Heaven mafia.

FTFY

[Albert B. Rampage]

I looked at his location and signature, and changed my mind about voting him.

[hasdgfas]

I dunno Cow, if you knew the books you'd understand my abilities from what I wrote, at least I think so.

This is exactly my problem with your claim.
You're not giving us the flavor, you're making us find what it is so that we can believe you. Make us believe you.