The interesting thing about this sentance is, it actually applies more to your roleclaim then to mine.Korts wrote: You have claimed a role that is convenient for scum to claim, and based on the dead roles and vollkan's previous games it is very unlikely at this point that there would be such a role at all in this game.
Well, you were pretty scummy yesterday as well, IMHO.Xdaamno wrote:Yos, apart from the fact that I have been voting more could possibly agree with the theory that I am scum (but is not a scumtell in itself), are there any extra reasons why I am more scummy today than yesterday? I'm saying this to make sure people don't trust you solely as an authority figure.
So, yesterday you seemed to be ignoring me completly when it looked like I was going to get lynched, trying to get on my good side when it looked like I wasn't and was attacking you; and as soon as it looks like I might be lynchable today, you vote for me with nothing more then an agreement with another player who's confrimed town. It really feels like scum play to me at this point.Xdaamno wrote: This last paragraph in and of itself just struck me as town. I suppose you were trying to get me to notice it and not forget it? Going down that thought process is something scum do not need to do, and so I think you are town.
I like the very direct statement, no ifs or buts, that it is a fact that there are 9 town players. It's not as bad as assuming a certain number of scum, but it's the same kind of slip.Yos wrote:Out of 9 town
In addition to the fact that you haven't quite made a single point about why my claim would be convenient for scum, this statement has an inherent flaw; millers are lynched or vigged precisely because they are such a convenient claim.Yos wrote:(miller is NOT a role that is "convienent" for scum to claim, considering the high odds of any claimed miller being lynched or vigged; bodyguard, on the other hand)
Meh. If there is a vig, then with 2 kills last night implies there's most likely just one scum group, and the setup really only can be balanced like that with a 3 man scumgroup. I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption at all; do you disagree?Korts wrote:I like the very direct statement, no ifs or buts, that it is a fact that there are 9 town players. It's not as bad as assuming a certain number of scum, but it's the same kind of slip.Yos wrote:Out of 9 town
Well, that's possible I guess; I can't think of a game when I've seen a "gunsmith immune mafia member" (although I have often seen SK's that don't have guns), but that dosn't mean it's not possible for this game. I'm not sure how much difference that makes, though; if you're telling the truth, that's still 5 pro-town players with strong claims.I can see your point about the bodyguard from the perspective of a massclaim; that is probably why I'm not a doctor and die with a successful protection. Also, if you assume a role that is a false guilty for the gunsmith, why fail to recognize the equal possibility of a false innocent?
Well, your claim would be convenient for scum in that it's not actually confirmable, it's not likely to be counterclaimed if you're lying because bodyguards aren't very common, and it's not a role claim the town was likely to lynch on day 1.In addition to the fact that you haven't quite made a single point about why my claim would be convenient for scum, this statement has an inherent flaw; millers are lynched or vigged precisely because they are such a convenient claim.Yos wrote:(miller is NOT a role that is "convienent" for scum to claim, considering the high odds of any claimed miller being lynched or vigged; bodyguard, on the other hand)
Eh...the whole point of a gunsmith roles is that the mafia has guns, but so do some pro-town people (generally cops, vigs, perhaps PGO's although that dosn't really matter, perhaps some others), so a "gun" result is significantly less useful then a guilty, and may actually out a pro-town power role if the gunsmith isn't careful. I've never seen a gunsmith in a game without a pro-town gun, never. This could be the first, of course.charter wrote:I don't think there's a vig. I think it's a SK because a vig would have shot Yos. However, normally, SK's don't use guns, so it does make the gunsmith role more of a question.
This is tricky. The miller is just WIFOMy if there isn't a cop, so it's not really anything towards balance. If anything, a copless miller detriments the town.charter wrote:Vote Yosarian2
Claimed scum yesterday. A gunsmith and a tracker? Looks like he hedged his bets wrong.
Green Crayons wrote:I noticed a slight discrepancy between the claim and the actual follow through. Why exactly did you think Dizzy the town vanilla was a great person to vote D1?
You sound like you are already dead, or being replaced, neither of which I saw proof of.Ether wrote:I never really took to this game.
It seemed like a pretty thin contribution, but fair enough I guess if you were just dropping in. I'd only checked the time stamp to see if it was a quick before work post. I don't feel his attitude towards you is inconsistent, because we're dealing with significant new information today that makes your claim look worse. By that token, it seems like you could be calling alot of us inconsistent today, although I do get your argument about how it was an easy vote.Yosarian2 wrote:As for Xdaamno; I'm not sure what you mean by "he's capable of better at this point"; I'm pretty sure Xdaamno is scum here, and there's nothing "better" then that. He was attacked yesterday for not voting, and it looks like he was told by his scumbuddies last night "Hey, make sure you vote someone today", and so he did. His vote for me today seems complety inconsitant with his attitude towards me yesterday, and it just really feels like a scum move.
See, I don't think this is a safe assumption. Vollkan's first post kind of implies just a town v mafia game, and in his last mini normal, I actually used that to help me figure out the setup. What worries is me is that postgame one or two people made comments about how players shouldn't be able to figure out the setup based on what the mod writes, so I could see him taking that on board. I also think SK is more likely than vig; it seems like we'd have a huge amount of power with a tracker, gunsmith, vig and masoniser, even if Korts is scum.Yosarian2 wrote:Out of 9 town
This seems like the opposite of what you said on day 1 about scum claiming bodyguard. Am I missing something?Yosarian2 wrote:Well, your claim would be convenient for scum in that it's not actually confirmable, it's not likely to be counterclaimed if you're lying because bodyguards aren't very common, and it's not a role claim the town was likely to lynch on day 1.
To clarify, do you feel his claim is more or less suspicious than yesterday, or about the same?skitzer wrote:This is tricky. The miller is just WIFOMy if there isn't a cop, so it's not really anything towards balance. If anything, a copless miller detriments the town.
Yeah, I know. Claiming bodyguard has advantages and disadvantages. I suppose I'm just less trusting of the claim now that I have a better idea of the setup; plus, I'm a little bothered that he didn't protect OGML, who I thought was pretty obviously a pro-town information role, although his claimed protection of Charter makes sense.Patrick wrote:This seems like the opposite of what you said on day 1 about scum claiming bodyguard. Am I missing something?
I'm not arguing this. There were two kills last night. I don't think either was from a pro town source, because a pro town player with a vig shot would have shot you last night. That's how I come to SK.Yosarian2 wrote:Eh...the whole point of a gunsmith roles is that the mafia has guns, but so do some pro-town people (generally cops, vigs, perhaps PGO's although that dosn't really matter, perhaps some others), so a "gun" result is significantly less useful then a guilty, and may actually out a pro-town power role if the gunsmith isn't careful. I've never seen a gunsmith in a game without a pro-town gun, never. This could be the first, of course.charter wrote:I don't think there's a vig. I think it's a SK because a vig would have shot Yos. However, normally, SK's don't use guns, so it does make the gunsmith role more of a question.
This was exactly my line of thinking yesterday when I maintained my vote on Korts so it strongly surprised me when you seemed to feel otherwise. I see Patrick touched on this also. Looking back, I see you were mainly thinking of things from a Cop/Miller perspective, but I just find it weird that if you're telling the truth about your role, a player of your caliber wouldn't have considered that perhaps we may be dealing with a screwy type of set-up that simply has no Cop even with the presence of a Miller. Your insistence on there being one yesterday just strikes me as off.Post 755, Yosarian2 wrote:Well, your claim would be convenient for scum in that it's not actually confirmable, it's not likely to be counterclaimed if you're lying because bodyguards aren't very common, and it's not a role claim the town was likely to lynch on day 1.
I can see what you're saying, but I disagree that my lack of comment was particularly scummy - everyone already knew the reason. What did you expect me to write? "Vote: Yos because of the reason stated above" is superfluous, and "Vote: Yos because of the miller claim" would make it look like I was trying to take credit for the exact same thing the poster before me said, IMO.Yosarian2 wrote:Well, you were pretty scummy yesterday as well, IMHO.Xdaamno wrote:Yos, apart from the fact that I have been voting more could possibly agree with the theory that I am scum (but is not a scumtell in itself), are there any extra reasons why I am more scummy today than yesterday? I'm saying this to make sure people don't trust you solely as an authority figure.
Today, I really think the way you just jumped on my bandwagon based on nothing more you following a confirmed town charter seemed very scummy and oppertunistic. If you are scum, your only priority today would be to secure a mislynch by whatever means necessary; if town mislynches today, town is in deep trouble. Plus, your sudden vote on me seems completly inconsistant with your behavior from yesterday, when you didn't really show any signs of suspecting me at all. You hardly commented on me at all, and when you did, this was the last thing you said about me:
So, yesterday you seemed to be ignoring me completly when it looked like I was going to get lynched, trying to get on my good side when it looked like I wasn't and was attacking you; and as soon as it looks like I might be lynchable today, you vote for me with nothing more then an agreement with another player who's confrimed town. It really feels like scum play to me at this point.Xdaamno wrote: This last paragraph in and of itself just struck me as town. I suppose you were trying to get me to notice it and not forget it? Going down that thought process is something scum do not need to do, and so I think you are town.
(nods) Yeah, I was thinking in terms of there being a cop since my role specifically made a point of saying I would look guilty to cop investigations. I suppose I should have realized there might not be one, but honestly, it never occured to me.Incognito wrote:I'm not really getting much out of the past few posts probably because they've been about set-up spec.
This was exactly my line of thinking yesterday when I maintained my vote on Korts so it strongly surprised me when you seemed to feel otherwise. I see Patrick touched on this also. Looking back, I see you were mainly thinking of things from a Cop/Miller perspective, but I just find it weird that if you're telling the truth about your role, a player of your caliber wouldn't have considered that perhaps we may be dealing with a screwy type of set-up that simply has no Cop even with the presence of a Miller. Your insistence on there being one yesterday just strikes me as off.Post 755, Yosarian2 wrote:Well, your claim would be convenient for scum in that it's not actually confirmable, it's not likely to be counterclaimed if you're lying because bodyguards aren't very common, and it's not a role claim the town was likely to lynch on day 1.
Really? I would have thought a miller would do the right thing by assuming there was a cop (especially in a vollkan setup, unlikely to have blank roles imo) - why should it have occured to you?Yosarian2 wrote:(nods) Yeah, I was thinking in terms of there being a cop since my role specifically made a point of saying I would look guilty to cop investigations. I suppose I should have realized there might not be one, but honestly, it never occured to me.Incognito wrote:I'm not really getting much out of the past few posts probably because they've been about set-up spec.
This was exactly my line of thinking yesterday when I maintained my vote on Korts so it strongly surprised me when you seemed to feel otherwise. I see Patrick touched on this also. Looking back, I see you were mainly thinking of things from a Cop/Miller perspective, but I just find it weird that if you're telling the truth about your role, a player of your caliber wouldn't have considered that perhaps we may be dealing with a screwy type of set-up that simply has no Cop even with the presence of a Miller. Your insistence on there being one yesterday just strikes me as off.Post 755, Yosarian2 wrote:Well, your claim would be convenient for scum in that it's not actually confirmable, it's not likely to be counterclaimed if you're lying because bodyguards aren't very common, and it's not a role claim the town was likely to lynch on day 1.
Not sure what the second part has to do with first. You're saying he looks more suspicious because he wasn't nightkilled or something?skitzer wrote:I guess more suspcious: any vig (or SK trying to look like a vig) would have killed him.
What are your thoughts on Ether's *alignment*?Post 758, skitzer wrote:You sound like you are already dead, or being replaced, neither of which I saw proof of.Ether wrote:I never really took to this game.
What do you think about Ether in general, Xdaamno? Do you still get "town vibes" from her?Xdaamno wrote:Ether:
Weak town vibes from the self-deprecation.Ether wrote:Sometimes, I don't like myself very much. I woke up much less enthusiastic about my Yosvote than I was when I placed it, finding myself under suspicion that I...didn't really disagree with, and put off addressing it. (On Thursday, Iwasdoing a programming cram, but that's Thursday.) This is a recovery mode post; I won't really feel comfortable until I'm interacting again.
