Wheel of Time Mafia: Rip in the Pattern (GAME OVER)

[Knight of Cydonia]

It's so hard to tell if this is douche-bag ABR or Scum-ABR. THEY'RE SO DAMN SIMILAR.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also - remind me how our power roles can be outed by SpyreX still being alive? Fabian's dumb claim and SpyreX's confusing and dumber claim aside, I don't see any more claims yet.

Because you're going to go after random players, they will be forced to claim, and they're going to be outed before they even get any investigation results in. Then you're not gonna learn from your lesson, so you're going to go after another player, and you will out a second power role. You're just playing into the scum's hands.

The safest play is to lynch Spyrex now and not risk outting any investigative power roles. Its unthoughtful to go out with very little information on day 1 and repeatedly bandwagonning players that may very well be power roles, when you can lynch someone who is guaranteed to become scum later on.

Later on, we are going to make better informed decisions, based on more evidence and results. That's when we will want to lynch SCUM. Right now is the time to lynch Spyrex, when the game is still early and we don't have much information.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No personal attacks, thank you.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Because you're going to go after random players, they will be forced to claim, and they're going to be outed before they even get any investigation results in.

Remind me where I said I would be going after random players? Because I'm pretty damn sure

I didn't

Its unthoughtful to go out with very little information on day 1

Which is what just lynching SpyreX is likely to give us...

when you can lynch someone who is guaranteed to become scum later on.

Uhm... where did anyone, even SpyreX himself, say he was going to become

scum

?

Vote: Albert B Rampage

Because now it's gone from being a douche to actual deliberate misrepresentation of people's posts.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We don't care what Spyrex says. Last game, the potential SK wasn't informed that he was going to become an SK. Spyrex has no idea what's going on around him.

From the books, all male channelers go mad, AKA anti-town.

Lynching Spyrex means investigative roles get information.

[Isacc]

Because you're going to go after random players, they will be forced to claim, and they're going to be outed before they even get any investigation results in. Then you're not gonna learn from your lesson, so you're going to go after another player, and you will out a second power role. You're just playing into the scum's hands.

How is this a likely scenario at all? I don't remember anyone suggesting a plan that sounded like this.

Its unthoughtful to go out with very little information on day 1.

I have to copy KoC here and say this is exactly what you are suggesting we do.

From the books, all male channelers go mad, AKA anti-town.

Funny cause, I remember arguing against this point a page ago. Hmm...any reason you are ignoring that counter argument? Any reason you seem to be not acknowledging me at all?

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is where I see this going:

You bandwagon me to L-2, I claim an extremely important power role.

You unvote and bandwagon a second player. He's a power role too.

Then you deadline mislynch someone who you don't even have a strong read on. Great.

Now three power roles have been outed, the SK is still alive, and the chances that you lynched scum are low as dirt.

[Knight of Cydonia]

We don't care what Spyrex says.

1

Last game, the potential SK wasn't informed that he was going to become an SK. Spyrex has no idea what's going on around him.

2

From the books, all male channelers go mad, AKA anti-town.

Lynching Spyrex means investigative roles get information.

3

1 - Attacking someone blindly like this should never happen if you're town. Town should always be at the very least willing to listen to people, no matter how scummy they think they are.

2 - How do you know this? Kinetic specifically stated that roles would be tweaked this time round.

3 - Lynching scum, instead of someone who isn't an SK yet, and may not be for a while, also gives the investigators time to work. That's why I fully endorse an ABR lynch.

[Isacc]

You bandwagon me to L-2, I claim an extremely important power role.

This is badposting.

1. You are wifoming the poop out of us, as we have no reason to believe you

are

an extremely important power role.

2. If you ARE an extremely important power role, you just outed yourself anyways. Nice job. Epic fail.



This is where I see this going:

We put you at L-2. You claim. Your claim sounds like a load of crap. We lynch you. We assess the results D2.

[Isacc]

Oh and ABR is still ignoring parts of my posts. This should be noted.

[SpyreX]

There's a lot of information I'm finding. Like, see, I'm more and more confident about Issac and SK being town with each post. Bravo!

In my extensive experience, removing a confirmed future SK is equally important to *trying* to lynch mafia. If we lynch Spyrex we KNOW it won't be a mislynch.

It will also give our power roles a chance at tracking/watching/investigating for a night WITHOUT BEING OUTED DAY 1.

Sup giant appeal to authority. How are you doing today?

Now, I'm really not sure how you can even pretend that you KNOW this wont be a mislynch. See, I think we all know that you hang me I turn up town. Woosh. That'd be a mislynch right there.

So, if again you are making the claim that you know 100% I am going to become an SK (which, I who hath the PM does not know) then you have some mysterious insight into the setup that, frankly, doesn't exist.

As for the latter half: are you insinuating that a lynch of me without other exploratory lynches (considering the caveat that I am town for sure right now that could change) is better than actually lynch scum because whomever we lynch is going to a.) be a power role and b.) not be scum?

Really? Lets play the slippery slope with that logic: Day 1 should be a no lynch because then we don't out any power roles. How's that sound?

Real bad, right? Because it is. At least you only brought it up once right OHH SNAAAaaaa

Because you're going to go after random players, they will be forced to claim, and they're going to be outed before they even get any investigation results in. Then you're not gonna learn from your lesson, so you're going to go after another player, and you will out a second power role. You're just playing into the scum's hands.

Wow, there it is again. This means the first time you brought it up it wasn't a mistake. As for "random" lynching - no, its not random, far from it. Hell, this lynch is

less

random than most day 1 lynches.

I want this clear. One line for people to read before they lynch you because holy hell:

ABR has, twice, now said that I am a better lynch than looking for actual scum because there is a chance of outing power roles. In no game does this make sense.

Lynching Spyrex means investigative roles get information.

How does this work? You really think a myriad of investigative roles are gonig to converge on me? I really doubt it.

Cops and the like sure shouldn't waste their time because the caveat is that "IN THE SECRETE FUTURE" I may become an SK.

Watchers shouldn't because I am NOT going to get killed tonight. No way in hell.

Tracker...ehh, sure. All it would prove is that I didn't go anywhere which leads us right back into "Well, yea he's town now but we better watch him like a hawk MUHAHAH."

Protective roles most DEFINITELY shouldn't be anywhere near me. See above, in I'm not going to get killed period.

So, the only "PR" I could see really having a vested interest in visiting me would be a vig to nip this in the bud / make sure if I was a jester I didn't win.

Which still serves your purpose without wasting the actual important part of the game - the lynch.

So, lets get this party started.

[Knight of Cydonia]

This is where I see this going:

You bandwagon me to L-2, I claim an extremely important power role.

I agree up to this point, but the fact that you're already trying to breadcrumb this kind of role before a serious wagon builds makes me even less likely to believe you than before.

You unvote and bandwagon a second player. He's a power role too.

Wrong. I certainly see no reason to unvote you.

Then you deadline mislynch someone who you don't even have a strong read on. Great.

Already said several times, but I'll say it again for those of you who can't read - SpyreX should be gentled, or killed, or lynched

if

we have no other real leads at the end of the day.

[SpyreX]

Ohh yea and I'm not jumping ship if "magic secret power role" claim comes up from ABR after that mess.

It is known.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Role-claim time!

I claim Aes Sedai. I'm in a pair of Aes Sedai.

Aes Sedai have several abilities in common.

We can detect Saidar.

We can all gentle a Saidin. It takes

at least

three Aes Sedai to gentle a Saidin, and they must do it at the same time.

It is not guaranteed to work.

We can also still a Saidar. It takes a minimum of two Aes Sedai to still a Saidar, and it is not guaranteed to work.

We all have specific abilities as well.

Aes Sedai are allowed to hammer townies. We are not allowed to use abilities that will lead to an innocent person's death. Voting does not count as an "ability", so we can hammer all we want. I'm not allowed to lie, but I can refuse to answer your questions all I want.

[Faraday]

Softclaiming is bad very bad. Seems like an easy way to try and stop a lynch. Albert hinting at a powerful role already seems a way to stop a lynch before it gains momentum.

Also re: the posibillity of SpyreX going insane, well it's probable, sure Isacc brought up some counter people but of them 1 is the dragon reborn and 1 is a Mazrim Taim, who's not really on the level . I do believe he's town atm though and am not inclined to lynch him.

I can actually see Alberts point though regarding not wanting out out power roles. I do disagree, as I think gentling SpyreX is the better option by far. Plus there's no guarantee we won't catch scum.

Unvote

btw

[Faraday]

/facepalm.

Aes Sedai name? Anything else?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ah yeah, pairs of Aes Sedai can communicate during the day, but we don't know if the other is town or not.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Name is Bolin of the Red Ajah.

[Faraday]

:lol how ironic that a member of the red is gunning hard for to lynch a man who can channel.

[Faraday]

Also I believe that claim.

Albert, now that you're outed what do you think of Fabian's claim? You have stilling/maybe gentling and detecting saidar in common? Do you think this makes him likely town?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Albert, now that you're outed what do you think of Fabian's claim? You have stilling/maybe gentling and detecting saidar in common? Do you think this makes him likely town?

I'm neutral towards it. There's most definitely Black Ajah infiltrators in this game IMO.

[Shadow Knight]

@Albert- now just prove you're not a darkfriend.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Albert- now just prove you're not a darkfriend.

There's no way of doing that...

[Albert B. Rampage]

And in the middle of the night, Abel washes himself in the moonlit river.

I noticed that KoC and Isaac suddenly eclipsed themselves to talk in a quicktopic thread following my claim.

[MacavityLock]

Oh fun, exact same situation as last game from day 1. And I get to ask the same questions:

ABR: As Red Ajah, it seems likely that you would have motivation for gentling a male channeler. Do you have flavor to that effect? Do you have gameplay notes to that effect? (Win condition or some sort of bonus.) Do you have any reason to believe that Spyrex is scum due to his claim?

(JVW, you may be experiencing deja vu. Don't worry, that's normal.)