Mini 762 - Secret-role Mafia, Status: Mod Gone, Plug Pulled

[Lowell]

@BB- summary post IS coming when I find the time. For now I'll say I don't much like the quickness with which you jumped to me at AWAs suggestion.

[millar13]

Lowell how you know I am town and be so sure, unless you are scum? Sounds bizzare to make such claims.

[Elias_the_thief]

well im not the cop. the millar result seems to make sense to me, millar would be a likely investigation. then again, easy enough to choose the most believable investigation target and call them innocent. No smart cop would counterclaim right now though.

[charter]

well im not the cop. the millar result seems to make sense to me, millar would be a likely investigation. then again, easy enough to choose the most believable investigation target and call them innocent. No smart cop would counterclaim right now though.

Why wouldn't they counter? It would guarentee we lynch scum, then we just have one left. It would be easy to win.

[Beyond_Birthday]

@BB- summary post IS coming when I find the time. For now I'll say I don't much like the quickness with which you jumped to me at AWAs suggestion.

I didn't realize, until AWA reiterated suspicion of you that you hadn't done a summary post. And it seems long overdue.

[Wall-E]

Votecount 2-12

[2] Lowell

AWA, Beyond_Birthday

[1] AWA

millar13

[0] millar13

[0] Xenaroth

[0] Beyond_Birthday

[0] TCold

[0] skitzer

[0] Elias_the_thief

[0] Simpor

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch and end Day 2.

[skitzer]

Not cop. Will read this later.

[Beyond_Birthday]

...Skitzer, claiming "not cop" only helps the mafia figure out who the cop is if it isn't the one who claimed.

[skitzer]

Um, i thought everyone was counterclaiming.

[Lowell]

Picking up from post 103, where I left off:

113- ash votes xena [-, parroting]
114- xena at L-2, responds to accusers [-, not overwhelming defense]
115- BB calls out xena
124- BB votes millar for being useless [-, expects from lowell, not millar?]
125- xena vote simpor for being a lurker
127- BB unvotes [-, bizarre]
132- skitzer votes simpor for not responding to questions
130s- millar and BB discuss "slip" [I don't see it]
140s- millar and BB argue over nothing
148- ash justifies suspicion of xena using lowell's post [-, why the protest?]
154- simpor requests deadline [+, strangely brave of him]
157- charter votes ash for post 113 [+]
158- BB votes ash, same reason [-, THIS IS WHAT HE COMPLAINED ABOUT]
161- skitzer joins ash wagon
167- nabokov votes ash, same reasons
168- millar avoids talking about ash [--, doesn't want to commit]
180- nabokov moved his vote to ash despite not thinking he's that scummy [+, good reason, actually]
185- millar votes charter for forgetting an FOS [-, the "gotcha" tactic is unappealing]
180s- millar/charter argue over "slip"
211- lowell votes missing ash to speed lynch
214- millar hammers ash [+, decent, gutsy]
217- nabakov killed by mafia
218- BB votes AWA for lurking
227- lowell votes xena
233- BB megaposts, votes millar
251- BB points out millar's asking for coaching [+, agreed]
252- charter votes AWA for being useless
254- non-defense defense by AWA
256- lowell votes AWA
257- AWA OMGUSs Lowell
263- BB votes AWA
264- millar votes AWA
265- AWA claims cop, votes millar
270- BB unvotes, votes lowell

Some town players:

Millar

is almost certainly town. Were AWA to fakeclaim, he'd probably not draw in another scummate to his claim. If Millar were to die first, AWA would be exposed. Besides, it's easier to win at least ONE town member's support that way. That said, I don't like millar's "gotcha" style of play. The two "slips" he thinks he found are both meaningless (130 and 185)

Upon reread,

AWA

looks like town. His lurking makes sense in context of him being a cop. It looks more like someone who has been playing the whole time as a powerrole, rather than a scum who tried to fit in, then at the last minute decided to claim a powerrole.

charter

. Yeah he looks clean so far. I've liked his entry into the game and his relative fearlessness.

elias

. I'd like more from him, but he seems on the level.

Some scum players:

BB

. He's been an opportunist all game. I especially don't like 115, where he calls out xena... yet doesn't vote. It came right after my long post accusing xena, and someone else's support of the xena case. Then he votes and unvotes Millar quickly, without any good reason. In 158 he votes ash quickly and without much explanation, even thought that was more or less WHAT ASH GOT IN TROUBLE FOR. The person before him said "I'm voting ash for parroting and being opportunistic" and BB followed with "me too! VOTE ASH!"

xena

. I have yet to hear what is wrong with this case. I outlined this in my previous PBP (103), and since that time he's disappeared, which is pretty much what the problem was in the first place. That and the link to BB aren't to his favor.

I realize there are some I've not placed. Not sure what to say about them.

[Lowell]

vote BB

. I'll happily lynch xena as well.

[Beyond_Birthday]

You know lowell... *snaps fingers*

There's something about you this game that bothers me...

I'm not sure what it is, but your play is off. Despite your points against Xena... you...strike me funny...

Anyway, we're still not at a point that I can really conclude anything, and I don't see too much to worry about (yet, I know), but I'm going to put this game on the back burner due to its low activity and the fact my other games are at more crucial points. This is a check in and Lowell is voting me acknowledgment.

[Elias_the_thief]

i was halfway through my PBP of BB before i got interrupted. hopefully ill finish it and at least one other players tomorrow.

[charter]

...Skitzer, claiming "not cop" only helps the mafia figure out who the cop is if it isn't the one who claimed.

Unvote, Vote Beyond_Birthday

Blatent attempt at slinging suspicion at Skitzer. GUESS WHAT, EITHER THE PERSON WHO CLAIMED COP IS COP OR THEY ARE SCUM. We were trying to see if someone counterclaimed. Scum already know if AWA is cop or not, now town is learning too.

This easily went through a townie's mind, guess it could have slipped scum's mind.

I believe everyone posted after AWA and no one countered, so I believe him.

[charter]

And FOS Elias, because he said about the same thing.

[Beyond_Birthday]

...Skitzer, claiming "not cop" only helps the mafia figure out who the cop is if it isn't the one who claimed.

Unvote, Vote Beyond_Birthday

Blatent attempt at slinging suspicion at Skitzer. GUESS WHAT, EITHER THE PERSON WHO CLAIMED COP IS COP OR THEY ARE SCUM. We were trying to see if someone counterclaimed. Scum already know if AWA is cop or not, now town is learning too.

This easily went through a townie's mind, guess it could have slipped scum's mind.

I believe everyone posted after AWA and no one countered, so I believe him.

Flawed.

[millar13]

Charter you seriously make little to no sense the majority of the time.

[charter]

No. When AWA claimed, if he isn't scum, then guess what, scum know who the cop is. If AWA is not the cop, he is scum, and therefore someone countering is a good thing.

The only reason why BB could possibly have noted skitzer claiming NOT COP (which a bunch others did but got no mention from BB) is if he was looking for somewhere to place blame.

There is basically no way that BB, as town, would have told off skitzer for saying he wasn't cop, after the cop had claimed, and other people were saying they were not cop. It only makes sense if BB is scum.

[millar13]

Mhmmm still sounds like your going out on a whim

[charter]

Myself, Lowell, Elias, and skitzer all claimed not cop. Why does BB single out skitzer for a completely bogus reason? millar, BB's reasoning makes no sense if he is town.

Mod, can we get a prod on Xenaroth.

He hasn't posted, so I guess it's possible he is cop.

Prod request granted. - the mod

[Beyond_Birthday]

No. When AWA claimed, if he isn't scum, then guess what, scum know who the cop is. If AWA is not the cop, he is scum, and therefore someone countering is a good thing.

The only reason why BB could possibly have noted skitzer claiming NOT COP (which a bunch others did but got no mention from BB) is if he was looking for somewhere to place blame.

There is basically no way that BB, as town, would have told off skitzer for saying he wasn't cop, after the cop had claimed, and other people were saying they were not cop. It only makes sense if BB is scum.

Wrong? Cop=/=scum. 2scum is worth losing the cop over. a Faulty cop (insane somehow) is worth losing a scum. If cop dies, unless at lylo, we'll lynch AWA anyway. However, helping scum make that happen sooner, if AWA is lying, is a BAD IDEA. Again, flawed.

Scum: Skitzer is scum with either Charter or Millar. Possibly both. Just a hunch really, and I guess its due to Skitzer minorly coaching Millar and Charter's irrational defense of Skitzer's "not cop" and coaching.

...If the game remains this slow, I'm going to request replacement because ...slow games are not fun for me...

Just a warning.

[charter]

No. When AWA claimed, if he isn't scum, then guess what, scum know who the cop is. If AWA is not the cop, he is scum, and therefore someone countering is a good thing.

The only reason why BB could possibly have noted skitzer claiming NOT COP (which a bunch others did but got no mention from BB) is if he was looking for somewhere to place blame.

There is basically no way that BB, as town, would have told off skitzer for saying he wasn't cop, after the cop had claimed, and other people were saying they were not cop. It only makes sense if BB is scum.

Wrong? Cop=/=scum. 2scum is worth losing the cop over. a Faulty cop (insane somehow) is worth losing a scum. If cop dies, unless at lylo, we'll lynch AWA anyway. However, helping scum make that happen sooner, if AWA is lying, is a BAD IDEA. Again, flawed.

Scum: Skitzer is scum with either Charter or Millar. Possibly both. Just a hunch really, and I guess its due to Skitzer minorly coaching Millar and Charter's irrational defense of Skitzer's "not cop" and coaching.

...If the game remains this slow, I'm going to request replacement because ...slow games are not fun for me...

Just a warning.

No shit cop doesn't equal scum. That's what I'm saying. Scum know right now if AWA is scum or cop. AWA is one or the other. Scum already know. Now town is learning. It's dumb to let them know and not the rest of the town.

How can you suspect millar? That makes no sense. There's an innocent on him.

I'm pretty sure Beyond Birthday is scum. Nothing he has said since AWA claimed cop has made any sense.

[charter]

The only way I can see what you're saying making sense is if you think AWA is scum, and trying to draw out the real cop. If this is the case, wonderful, a one for one trade is a great deal for town. I don't see how this can be the case though, seeing as how you're not suspicious of AWA anymore, so once again, you're making no sense.

[millar13]

Unvote

If AWA is a cop, then the scum will end up killing him in the night anyway. Beneficially, got to protect a fellow townie, even if revealing was really dumb.

[charter]

AWA was about to be lynched. That's why he claimed. Do you guys not remember this? It's not like he claimed for fun or to clear one townie, he did it so we wouldn't lynch him.