Wheel of Time Mafia: Rip in the Pattern (GAME OVER)

[xxFabianxx]

It's probably in his PM, but either way, don't forget that just because an Aes Sedai has a partner/mason, that doesn't clear them of being Black Ajah.
Black Ajah and the coloured Ajahs all live and work side by side, the latter not knowing who are Black.

Mufasa has a FoS from me and I'd like him to get in and post something of substance, not waste of space filler post like his last and only two posts.

The same goes for Tenchi, who came in and voiced a couple of his ideas that we could use, which were exactly the thing we had been talking about for days.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR Please answer the following question: Can you break the 3 pro town oaths with no consequence?

No. There will be consequences of an unknown nature.

I win with the town and I am not aware of any circumstance in which I do not win with town. In fact, I don't think there is any possibility that I can turn anti-town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Any questions I ignore are questions that I do not find relevant or pro-town to answer.

If you really want me to start talking about detection, there needs to be a majority consensus for it.

[Faraday]

@Faraday- Answer my last question in that post please, its the most important one. Also, don't assume what I read, thanks.

@ABR Please answer the following question: Can you break the 3 pro town oaths with no consequence?

Judge them on their play is the best way. I don't think because an Aes Sedai slips up condems them as scum, at all. Which is what you said

If we think he broke the oaths while claiming aes sedai, we should lynch him, cause hes obviously not with the town.

I think this is a pretty definite position, and considering we've no way of knowing if he broke his oaths, not one we can take.

So while I think going through there posts may help, it'll work better for things which are blatant lies.

Now answer this question, how does Albert saying what he did make him less likely to be town?

And I never assume what someone reads

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think an obvious tell that I am Aes Sedai is the first time I mention AS, I put it under quotation like "Aes Sedai" as if it was the first time I ever heard of it, obviously fake. This doesn't mean I can't be black ajah, but its a nice verifiable way of knowing that I truly am AS without outing my partner.

[SpyreX]

Start Tangent:

This whole confirming Aes Sedai by that line is so ridiculous it makes me die a little inside. Its the real-world equivalent of someone on trial for murder saying "I didn't do it!" and the jury going "Well, he's under Oath so... case dismissed."

/end tangent

ABR,

I'm 80% sure I know what Shadow Knight is up to. Its so transparent that I'm sad that he did it. However, with the ball in motion this far I honestly think that answering his question about the White Ajah is going to be more beneficial than not.

As for the detection. We have Fabian who has said it worked a certain way. If you can discredit OR confirm that it goes a long way to detailing the mechanics NOW versus down the road. Which is good.

If you think there is a discrepancy because you are Aes Sedai and he is a Wisdom even then it is of more benefit than not - the only scenario where it is more beneficial to keep your mouth closed is if you think the scum do NOT know how it works and it will alter their play. Which probably isn't true if there is a Black Ajah or any other myriad of methods they'd have for knowing how it works.

So, yes, I am for you answering the questions presented before you. They are not damaging AND they have a chance to out scum apparently AND if you dont when the next Aes Sedai is up on the block we're just going to have the same rigamarole (which if you are town and give answers to they have no wiggle room around).

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have a theory that Black Ajah might not be able to communicate with the mafia directly. Since we are in pairs, the mafia would know exactly which power roles to kill if the scum AS could talk to them.

[SpyreX]

Like two separate scum groups that win together?

Hmm..a possibility.

How does answering either of the above alter that though?

[Shadow Knight]

Well since its so transparent and Albert is going to be stupid and not answer it, I am also Aes Sedai. My partner, who I will not divulge at this time is also White Ajeh. I want to compare my partner's claimed ability with Albert's partner. I would hope that Albert was smart enough to ask right off the bat otherwise I just outed myself for nothing.

So Albert, What. Is. Your. Partner. Claiming. His. White. Ajeh. Ability. Does?

[SpyreX]

And there it is.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He explicitly told me to not claim his ability no matter what. I'll ask again.

[Shadow Knight]

Because alternatively, the Black Ajeh could be paired with true Aes Sedai which means that a mass claim would cripple them. "But Shadow," you ask, "why on Earth would a mod make the scum cripplable by a mass claim day one?" Because how often does a town claim on day one???

[Shadow Knight]

He explicitly told me to not claim his ability no matter what. I'll ask again.

So you're either lying and are Black Ajeh or your partner said something incredibly scummy sounding and you just believed it??

[Shadow Knight]

Actually- that is the perfect question for you Albert.

What was your initial thoughts on your partner not wishing you to reveal their ability?

[Knight of Cydonia]

OH MY GOD STOP CLAIMING ALREADY FOR THE LOVE OF BOB.

On this note, CyberBob will be replacing out, I'm currently looking for his replacement.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually- that is the perfect question for you Albert.

What was your initial thoughts on your partner not wishing you to reveal their ability?

I dunno. Maybe YOU'RE scum.

My partner asks you why you think that all white AS have the same ability. And he wants other people to back up what you asked for him to claim. If you're the only one, he doesn't want to tell you.

[SpyreX]

Sigh, again.

I'm throwing this out there because its apparent enough that I know scum (If you aren't) have figured it out.

Replying this quickly about talking to your partner has limited your partner to a very, very small pool of players. Thats not good.

Woosh

[Albert B. Rampage]

Confirm Vote Spyrex

[Knight of Cydonia]

...SpyreX, did it ever occur to you scum might NOT have worked it out?

unvote; Vote SpyreX

Before, you were just a potential threat. You're reaching the point now where you seem to be being actively anti-town in your play.

[Isacc]

If you really want me to start talking about detection, there needs to be a majority consensus for it.

I see no way that claiming whether or not you detected Saidar would be anti-town. In fact, it would either confirm Fabian's claim, or else prove one of you are lying. Either way, where is the downside?

I think an obvious tell that I am Aes Sedai is the first time I mention AS, I put it under quotation like "Aes Sedai" as if it was the first time I ever heard of it, obviously fake. This doesn't mean I can't be black ajah, but its a nice verifiable way of knowing that I truly am AS without outing my partner.

That is a terrible example of proof. Quoting the word Aes Sedai is proof of your claim? Please...

Irrelevant though, as you are probably telling the truth. But still, that is a terrible proof >.<

Well since its so transparent and Albert is going to be stupid and not answer it, I am also Aes Sedai. My partner, who I will not divulge at this time is also White Ajeh. I want to compare my partner's claimed ability with Albert's partner. I would hope that Albert was smart enough to ask right off the bat otherwise I just outed myself for nothing.

This was so obvious, it hurt. However...

CAN WE PLEASE STOP CLAIMING!? OMG. 3 potentially town power roles are now fucked, and THEY WEREN'T EVEN UNDER PRESSURE!

Why the hell are we still trying to break the game on Day 1? Doesn't anyone want to scumhunt!?!?!

Now...speaking of scumhunting...

My partner asks you why you think that all white AS have the same ability. And he wants other people to back up what you asked for him to claim. If you're the only one, he doesn't want to tell you.

Your partner wants someone to back up Shadow? Presumably, that would mean Shadow's Aes Sedai partner...is it just me or is this blatant fishing? ABR, your partner is asking for something that will almost assuredly result in Shadow's other AS partner being revealed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The White Ajah I can talk to wants more people to back up shadow knight in his request for information about my partner's ability.

[Albert B. Rampage]

CAN WE PLEASE STOP CLAIMING!? OMG. 3 potentially town power roles are now fucked, and THEY WEREN'T EVEN UNDER PRESSURE!

*cough* bullshit

[Kinetic]

The first snows of winter came very early this year.

- From the Journal of Jardor Calol

I've received multiple questions about actions. Please read both the Location and Ability rules on the first page, they should answer almost all questions.

One question I have received a few times: When does my action happen or resolve?

When you submit an action it will not take effect until the time of its resolution.

Rapid Action abilities resolve immediately.

Twilight Actions resolve at the beginning of twilight and you can change your choices for these action up until that time. The sooner you send these into me the better because once Twilight begins I cannot accept any new Twilight Actions.

Daybreak Actions resolve at the end of twilight in the opening post for the new day. The sooner you send these into me the better, and the shorter the twilight period will be. The deadline for twilight actions is generally about 12-24 hours after twilight begins.

Passive Abilities are considered always active.

Reactive Abilities are triggered by certain events or conditions, whether they be game events or another condition. Reactive Abilities generally resolve immediately after the trigger condition is met.

Currently lining up a replacement for CyberBob.

The Eighth Vote Count

1. (1)
   Mr. Flay - Seraphim
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (1)
   fuzzylightning - Kison
   
4. (0) MacavityLock -
   
5. (0) Seraphim -
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (1)
   Cyberbob - MacavityLock
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (0) Tenchi -
   
10. (3)
    Albert B. Rampage - fuzzylightning, Knight of Cydonia
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (1)
    Mastermind of Sin - Mufasa
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (0) Shadow Knight -
    
17. (0) Mufasa -
    
18. (3)
    SpyreX - Albert B. Rampage, Mr. Flay, Knight of Cydonia
    
19. (1)
    xxFabianxx - Mastermind of Sin
    
20. (0) Myndrunner -
    
21. (0) Faraday -
    
22. (1)
    Sajin - MrBuddyLee
    
23. (0) hasdgfas -
    
24. (0) Knights of Cydonia -
    
25. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
26. (0) Kison -

Votes Required to Lynch:

14

Not Voting (12): julienvonwolfe, Cyberbob, Tenchi, armlx, Slicey, Tuberkulos, SpyreX, Myndrunner, Knights of Cydonia, MrBuddyLee, hasdgfas, fuzzylightning, Sajin, Kairyuu, xxFabianxx, Moratorium, Faraday, SpyreX,

FoS Count

1. (3)
   Mr. Flay - Faraday, Mastermind of Sin, Seraphim
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (0) fuzzylightning -
   
4. (0) MacavityLock -
   
5. (0) Seraphim -
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (0) Cyberbob -
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (0) Tenchi -
   
10. (1)
    Albert B. Rampage - Isacc
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (0) Mastermind of Sin -
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (2)
    Shadow Knight - Cyberbob, Knight of Cydonia
    
17. (1)
    Mufasa - xxFabianxx,
    
18. (0) SpyreX -
    
19. (0) xxFabianxx -
    
20. (0) Myndrunner -
    
21. (0) Faraday -
    
22. (0) Sajin -
    
23. (0) hasdgfas -
    
24. (0) Knights of Cydonia -
    
25. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
26. (0) Kison -

Not FoSing (20): MacavityLock, julienvonwolfe, Kairyuu, Tenchi, Albert B. Rampage, armlx, Slicey, Tuberkulos, Moratorium, Shadow Knight, Mufasa, SpyreX, Myndrunner, Sajin, hasdgfas, MrBuddyLee, Kison, fuzzylightning

Current Deadline:

May 15, 2009 at ~11:59 PM EDT (GMT -4)

First Mod Deadline Review:

May 1, 2009 at ~11:59 PM EDT (GMT -4)

[Isacc]

CAN WE PLEASE STOP CLAIMING!? OMG. 3 potentially town power roles are now fucked, and THEY WEREN'T EVEN UNDER PRESSURE!

*cough* bullshit

Useless post is useless...

The White Ajah I can talk to wants more people to back up shadow knight in his request for information about my partner's ability.

I still think this is an attempt to out another Aes Sedai...

However, I am against forcing

any

more claims. If there are Black Ajah, there's nothing to tell us that they would have different abilities than their pretend Ajah anyways. Really, even if they both claimed the same White Ajah abilities, that wouldn't prove anything.

Plus, who's to say Shadow isn't scum just going to say "Yeah, that's the ability I have, we're both town," and confirm himself?

I'm not saying that's the case, but the point is that outing this White Ajah's ability is not going to confirm anybody, and it's not helping to catch scum. So, I vote no.

[Shadow Knight]

You're acting like an idiot. (I can say that because I believe it, right?) I don't want your partner's name. If no one knows who they are, then it doesn't matter what power they have. I'm asking because the white ajeh I'm linked with has an ability that had me questioning it. If you're town you should be wondering why your partner wouldn't want you to be confirmed. If you can't produce a matching white ajeh power or at least something that matches flavor for white, then I'll be voting you as black ajeh.