Wheel of Time Mafia: Rip in the Pattern (GAME OVER)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dunno, didn't read it at the time. Also, I've already talked about the merits of gentling. However now, with 4 known AS, it would be much easier to coordinate gentling.

[Shadow Knight]

At this point, I believe that ABR is town and was acting in the interests of keeping his partner safe. That is why I was stressing that I didn't want to out WHO his partner was, just get an idea of WHAT they can do to compare with my partner who also happens to be white ajeh. By doing that, I can confirm (in my own mind at least) 4 players.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Did your partner tell you if he used his ability SK?

[Shadow Knight]

No he didn't, but I'll ask.

[Tuberkulos]

Okay, I will try to dedicate this weekend to this thread. I've got no money and a lot of time to kill this weekend so if you could just bare with me I will be able to participate and contribute to this game as much as it deserves.

[Seraphim]

Sorry for my extended absence. It was completely unexpected, real life and all that. I'll try to get in a post today(Prom and I'm not going) but no guarantees.

[xxFabianxx]

RE Fabian's claim: can somebody who's also familiar with the books tell me if they think that I'm barking up the wrong tree with my assessment of Fabian's claim? I just can't believe that an Aes Sedai would teach someone who's not even a novice how to do something as drastic as stilling.

It's got to be game flavour.
In the books we had Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne. Elayne was always bound to join them, but Nynaeve was a town wisdom with the power, like myself.
To answer your later question in another post, I've read the first 3 books, working on the 4th, but I am aware of some things that happen in later books.
I try not to find out too much or I'll spoil them for myself.

Everything I have said today has been the truth, and someone was weaving.
Why did SK not detect it? I don't have a clue.
ABR, did you say whether you had detected it yet or not?

There is no such thing as untainted Saidan JVW, not 500 years before the books.
If he isn't gentled he will go insane, the fact that he already told us he was insane backs the claim up.
If a man is gentled and cut off from the power, even before he goes insane, he'll feel dead inside, like something is missing.

Also, I'm not sure what you're getting at with the Red Ajah angle.
Are you wondering if it's ABRs flavour to have to lynch claimed male channelers?
That in no way makes him scum, Red Ajah are what they are.

[julienvonwolfe]

RE Fabian's claim: can somebody who's also familiar with the books tell me if they think that I'm barking up the wrong tree with my assessment of Fabian's claim? I just can't believe that an Aes Sedai would teach someone who's not even a novice how to do something as drastic as stilling.

It's got to be game flavour.
In the books we had Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne. Elayne was always bound to join them, but Nynaeve was a town wisdom with the power, like myself.

Game flavour... hmm. I don't really see why it should be different from the books. Unless Aes Sedai were less strict about teaching then? (Somehow I don't think so)

To answer your later question in another post, I've read the first 3 books, working on the 4th, but I am aware of some things that happen in later books.
I try not to find out too much or I'll spoil them for myself.

*snip*

There is no such thing as untainted Saidan JVW, not 500 years before the books.

Well, there's always the Eye of the World.

If he isn't gentled he will go insane, the fact that he already told us he was insane backs the claim up.
If a man is gentled and cut off from the power, even before he goes insane, he'll feel dead inside, like something is missing.

I'm not disputing that he will go insane if not gentled, and I don't quite see how the second part is relevant.

Also, I'm not sure what you're getting at with the Red Ajah angle.
Are you wondering if it's ABRs flavour to have to lynch claimed male channelers?
That in no way makes him scum, Red Ajah are what they are.

Okay. The sequence of events:

1) ABR said that all male AS go mad (the pedantic voice inside me insists that after the breaking there are no male AS, merely men who can channel).

2) I pointed out that this wasn't always true. This is important, as if ABR was lying, he broke the oath binding him to truthfulness.

3) ABR countered with "If what I said is what I believe, then there is no lie."

4) I went to the wiki page, which ABR appears to have used as the authority for his argument, and examined it to see if I could see why he apparently believed what he did. In doing so, I found the quote that might have indicated that not all men who can channel necessarily go mad, if they are gentled first. This was the Red Ajah quote.

ABR said that he hadn't read it.

In all fairness, I don't think that the wiki article is the best possible.

[julienvonwolfe]

If he isn't gentled he will go insane, the fact that he already told us he was insane backs the claim up.
If a man is gentled and cut off from the power, even before he goes insane, he'll feel dead inside, like something is missing.

I'm not disputing that he will go insane if not gentled

EBWOP: This should be "I'm not disputing that he will go insane if not gentled or lynched"

[Benmage]

Hey guys, i just replaced Cyber..going to try and catchup quickly. Was actually following a little bit in anticipation of being a replacement.

[SpyreX]

I dont get it. Fabian reaks town, but it doesn't add up - especially not with ABR "confirming" SK's not feeling anything.

Unvote, Vote: xxxFabianxxx

I still stand by my statement of if KoC IS ABR's mason buddy it's worth investigation or lynch.

Hagsfasfafdsds still reads scum.

@ABR: Just to be sure. You have not detected any power use today?

[Faraday]

Ugh I really, really don't get a scum feeling off Fabian since the claim.

HIm being able to detect it now is the main cause for concern, and I guess in terms of flavour makes not a whole lotta sense either, i.e. he can detect channeling now but a member of the Red Ajeh can't? Yeh.

Way to many lurkers/non contributors at the moment too, which is bothersome.

[hasdgfas]

I dont get it. Fabian reaks town, but it doesn't add up - especially not with ABR "confirming" SK's not feeling anything.

Unvote, Vote: xxxFabianxxx

So you're voting someone. who you think is town. Am I missing something?

I still stand by my statement of if KoC IS ABR's mason buddy it's worth investigation or lynch.

What does this have to do with anything?

[SpyreX]

So you're voting someone. who you think is town. Am I missing something?

Yes, apparently the part of the line you quoted after the -

I can be wrong in a read and when evidence suggests I am wrong, I'm going to listen to evidence. Especially evidence from TWO players.

What does this have to do with anything?

Its...an opinion? On a very specific scenario I could see scum machinations for.

Opinions are sweet. Try it sometime.

[armlx]

God, I'm really SSKing this game.

Mod, feel free to replace me if I don't post content by Monday.

[hasdgfas]

What does this have to do with anything?

Its...an opinion? On a very specific scenario I could see scum machinations for.

Opinions are sweet. Try it sometime.[/quote]

No, like, where did this come from? I don't know why this was mentioned or what is has to do with anything.

[SpyreX]

Its not the first time I've brought it up. I'm not spending the energy explaining it unless I know KoC is ABR's partner.

Lets just say that if I am dead at that point it better not come as "SHOCKING REVELATION" when KoC IS ABR's partner and maybe, just maybe, someone else will look back and goo "Ohhhh"

[xxFabianxx]

Its not the first time I've brought it up. I'm not spending the energy explaining it unless I know KoC is ABR's partner.

Lets just say that if I am dead at that point it better not come as "SHOCKING REVELATION" when KoC IS ABR's partner and maybe, just maybe, someone else will look back and goo "Ohhhh"

You're not making ANY sense whatsoever.

Why are you fishing for Aes Sedai and mason groups?

[SpyreX]

Making a statement != fishing for a role.

Even IF I am right, now is not the time to deal with it. If it doesn't make sense, well, too bad. It'll come out when it does and hopefully the fact I've made it definitive at this point will mean something posthumously if I am correct.

On a side note.

The existence of the ability to still (not gentle) reinforces the idea in my head that there is Black Ajah in the game. Maybe even two or three.

Gentling can serve a pro-town purpose - see myself. It can eliminate a

potential

threat before it becomes one.

Females, however, do not go insane. If they are a threat, they are a threat

right now

. I'm pretty sure that stilling != elimination for purposes of winning, thus... stilling being there is more for the scum to utilize than not.

Ultimately, if you're going to still someone you should be willing to hang them. And, instead of wasting your actions you should do such.

As for gentling..even then its a waste of MORE actions without guaranteed success. I'm biased as I have personal stake but I could see simple elimination as a much cleaner solution.

Not today though. Today is for sorting out the mess with the Power Roles.

[Kinetic]

Several days ago there was a large light seen in the night sky. It was so bright in the northern sky many of the villagers woke and the roosters we screaming as if it was morning.

Since that night the camp sites around the city have been agitated. Do they know something the rest of us don't?

- From the Journal of Jardor Calol

Everyone is currently in a common area which is not a location in the game, as stated previously. The locations in the game are in the first post and players only spend the Twilight and 'Night' at these locations. I will repost this in my next vote count for anyone who might miss it.

The Eighth Vote Count

1. (1)
   Mr. Flay - Seraphim
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (1)
   fuzzylightning - Kison
   
4. (0) MacavityLock -
   
5. (0) Seraphim -
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (0) Cyberbob -
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (1)
   Tenchi - hasdgfas
   
10. (4)
    Albert B. Rampage - fuzzylightning, Knight of Cydonia, Mufasa
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (1)
    Mastermind of Sin - Mufasa
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (3)
    Shadow Knight - Isacc, Sajin, xxFabianxx
    
17. (1)
    Mufasa - Kison
    
18. (3)
    SpyreX - Albert B. Rampage, Mr. Flay, Knight of Cydonia
    
19. (3)
    xxFabianxx - Mastermind of Sin, Shadow Knight, SpyreX
    
20. (0) Myndrunner -
    
21. (0) Faraday -
    
22. (1)
    Sajin - MrBuddyLee
    
23. (0) hasdgfas -
    
24. (0) Knights of Cydonia -
    
25. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
26. (0) Kison -

Votes Required to Lynch:

14

Not Voting (15): julienvonwolfe, Cyberbob, Tenchi, armlx, Slicey, Tuberkulos, Myndrunner, Knights of Cydonia, MrBuddyLee, hasdgfas, fuzzylightning, Kairyuu, xxFabianxx, Moratorium, Faraday

FoS Count

1. (3)
   Mr. Flay - Faraday, Mastermind of Sin, Seraphim
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (0) fuzzylightning -
   
4. (0) MacavityLock -
   
5. (0) Seraphim -
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (0) Cyberbob -
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (0) Tenchi -
   
10. (1)
    Albert B. Rampage - Isacc
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (0) Mastermind of Sin -
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (3)
    Shadow Knight - Cyberbob, Knight of Cydonia, MacavityLock
    
17. (1)
    Mufasa - xxFabianxx,
    
18. (1)
    SpyreX - hasdgfas
    
19. (0) xxFabianxx -
    
20. (0) Myndrunner -
    
21. (1)
    Faraday - Albert B. Rampage
    
22. (0) Sajin -
    
23. (0) hasdgfas -
    
24. (0) Knights of Cydonia -
    
25. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
26. (0) Kison -

Not FoSing (20): MacavityLock, julienvonwolfe, Kairyuu, Tenchi, Albert B. Rampage, armlx, Slicey, Tuberkulos, Moratorium, Shadow Knight, Mufasa, SpyreX, Myndrunner, Sajin, MrBuddyLee, Kison, fuzzylightning

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May 15, 2009 at ~11:59 PM EDT (GMT -4)

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[Shadow Knight]

My partner says he did not use his ability.

[Knight of Cydonia]

...My God, there's more fishing here than on EuroSport UK at 3am on a Sunday morning.

[Mr. Flay]

Sorry, I';ve only got time for a brief post.

RE Fabian's claim: can somebody who's also familiar with the books tell me if they think that I'm barking up the wrong tree with my assessment of Fabian's claim? I just can't believe that an Aes Sedai would teach someone who's not even a novice how to do something as drastic as stilling.

Only way it makes sense is to be a Talent, something random that the person is wildly strong in. I'm not crazy about the newly-added "Lesser" part of his role, but I need to go reread what was revealed in the mini.

Also, I'm not sure what you're getting at with the Red Ajah angle.
Are you wondering if it's ABRs flavour to have to lynch claimed male channelers?
That in no way makes him scum, Red Ajah are what they are.

Okay. The sequence of events:

1) ABR said that all male AS go mad (the pedantic voice inside me insists that after the breaking there are no male AS, merely men who can channel).

To be wholly pedantic, we're right after the War of Power, so there's two types of male Aes Sedai right now - Forsaken and crazymen. SpyreX is, I believe, claiming to be the third thing, a man who has

just started

to channel. That's why he has a chance to remain pro-town, and I suppose with this many AS claimed we should try gentling him, but

SpyreX himself

has said he should be lynched rather than tie up nightactions. Can I get a "Jester, Thank You!"?!?

[Mastermind of Sin]

The existence of the ability to still (not gentle) reinforces the idea in my head that there is Black Ajah in the game. Maybe even two or three.

Not necessarily. You can still Forsaken...

[Isacc]

Today is for sorting out the mess with the Power Roles.

No...today is for SCUMHUNTING.

The existence of the ability to still (not gentle) reinforces the idea in my head that there is Black Ajah in the game. Maybe even two or three.

Stilling was an ability in the mini as well...no Black Ajah there...

Anyways.

I'm sick of rolefishing.

Speculating on the setup is going to screw us again, like in the mini, at this rate...

Poke me when we actually start scumhunting again... -_-