All right, let's see where we're left:
Crazy (I organized his pairs list for convenience) wrote:I think Plum is pro-town. OP really needs to clarify his case on her, because I don't see it at all.
Rereading her recent posts, and her past posts, Zazie is actually probably pro-town. Yeah, sudden switch here, but except for her original case on me, her logic is actually decent. I also don't think most scum would have the guts to put someone at L-1 in the random stage.
Kmd, I'm not sure about. His vote on Kirroha is rather questionable... but if he was scum w/ Zazie, he'd probably just have voted me. He could be scum with OP, though.
I have no idea how to read OP at all... sorry
If Kmd is town, then Kirroha is almost definitely scum. However, I don't believe they are scum together, or else Kmd is really playing this well.
Scumpairs, IMO, with 5/5 being most likely.
Kirroha/OP - 5/5
OP/Kmd - 5/5
OP/Zazie - 4/5
Kmd/Zazie - 4/5
Kirroha/Zazie - 3/5
OP/Plum - 2/5
Kirroha/Plum - 2/5
Kirroha/Kmd - 2/5
Kmd/Plum - 2/5
Plum/Zazie - 1/5
I actually want to check up on this. Last time (oh, the refrain!) when I as lynched I think the town really could have benefited from taking a look at my suspicions before I was lynched Day 1. Granted, last time I was quite sure of one scumbag - Crazy here doesn't have many concrete suspicions, and he dropped and reversed his attacks on Zazie, which previously was his major case. That's enough to convince me to swallow my pride and take another look at Zazie with this in mind alongside my previous read of her and see what comes of it.
Thoughts on Zazie:
- She seems to seriously believe that the Sens approach, or a variation thereon, is the/an optimal strategy in this setup.
- I still don't see any legit reason for her to see a lie and go for LAL in the case of Crazy's arguments - but apparently Crazy did? I have a bad feeling I got lost in the intense discussion over pages 6 and 7 between Crazy and Zazie.
- Still bad = apparent misrepresentation of Crazy (I say apparent because Crazy himself seemed to accept that the LAL-attack had some weight, though I can't see exactly where. It's possible that within the long discussion it became clear that Zazie didn't misrep Crazy/that her accusation wasn't junk, and I missed it).
- Very good = not so much at the end (she was mostly busy having things out with Crazy by then), but at the beginning she did a
lot
of direct questioning to specific players, which, in retrospect (darned 20/20 vision always comes a bit late) strikes me as both a very good, pro-town thing and something the scum would want to avoid doing. She questioned me, Crazy, and Chief (Kmd's predecessor) a fair amount. OP and kirroha not quite as much (though she did put OP at L-1 and encouraged a hammer. Hm). Kirroha, I note, never really answered her. Anyway, scum would either want to avoid doing that, because this setup leaves almost no room for bussing, or not question too strongly.
Additionally, I need to do some thinkng about possible pairings.
OP/kirroha
Kmd/OP
Zazie/kirroha
Zazie/Kmd
Kmd/kirroha
Zazie/OP
There we are, in order, scummiest to least scummy. I want to analyze someone else - OP - because I see scumminess without some of the mitgating/pro-town seeming factors I've found in Zazie.
His first slew of posts are RVS arguments with Crazy about previous games, then some jokey comments, again in the RVS. I wouldn't mind so much except that the sheer percentage of the jokey posts of his total posts in this game is . . . sheer. He has 16 posts in this game; a full 8, yes, that's %50, are RVS stuff which is just about irrelevant. Arguably he brought up a different LAL point on Crazy, but that still strikes me as
NOT RELATED TO THE GAME AT HAND
. I vote him in a proddy sort of way, hoping to get him to show up and post content. He did not, merely throwing out an OMGUS. I don't mind OMGUS in and of itself, but this was entirely info-less in a game where sharing info and discussion is even more crucial than usual.
At this point he's put at L-1 and gives some standard pleas not to lynch him for lack of much case - and, fair enough, at that point he hadn't done anything egregious enough to warrant a lynch for scumminess (Zazie's use of the Sens approach does not call for a case - in fact, I think it encourages the opposite, at least when starting/building wagons).
orangepenguin wrote:unvote, Vote: Crazy
Lynch all liars.
This is OP's response to Zazie's accusation of Crazy. It makes my gut twinge, a little, the lack of brief summary of Crazy's lie (it's just parroting, and for that matter parroting something which is hard to dissect with just a mantra and vote). I want to see what sort of follow-up OP has for this . . .
orangepenguin wrote:I still think Plum and Crazy are scum. Hopefully together. Would be happy with either of their lynches, but am happier w/ Crazy.
We've barely had a case on Crazy from him at all, and none on me (unless you count his vague gut suspicions on me earlier as a case). Why, OP? Could you explain in greater detail? Who are your top suspects now and
why?
Why have I seen relatively little expounded scumhunting from you - mostly votes and accusations with little in the way of an explanation or summary of how you reached your conclusions.
OP's my top suspect - followed, I guess, by kirroha, who wasn't around through much of the Crazy-wagon-discussion and wasn't too verbose afterwards. I guess my biggest problem with her is that little, if anything sticks out in my mind. Except one thing which I'd like to ask her about after she posts with whatever she's got to post. Not voting OP yet - I want to see the aforementioned stuff happen, plus it's LYLO, so I'm not inclined to vote hastily, especially as OP hasn't posted yet Day 2.