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Post Post #875 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2009 6:19 pm

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Incog's claim really doesn't mean anything if you think he's in a three person group with Ether (Xdaamo is included because he's prolly scum) because then he could have just bussed Ether day two, knowing she could never make it long. His Korts result means nothing because Korts said that's what he did first. The watcher in here is just too good for town.



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Post Post #876 (ISO) » Wed May 13, 2009 3:54 am

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Post 875, charter wrote:Incog's claim really doesn't mean anything if you think he's in a three person group with Ether (Xdaamo is included because he's prolly scum) because then he could have just bussed Ether day two, knowing she could never make it long. His Korts result means nothing because Korts said that's what he did first. The watcher in here is just too good for town.
Well then talk to vollkan about it because he put it in this set-up. If I get lynched because of my claim, I'm going to have a GREAT time during post-game giving you and anyone else who voted me some shit for trying to out-guess the mod and failing miserably.

Seriously, what incentive would I as scum to bus Ether, a MAFIA ROLEBLOCKER, during Day 2? She caught some flak during Day 1 but after she came back and began posting again pretty much everyone who was giving her flak (Yosarian2, camn, Patrick, etc) began calling her town again. I started attacking her during Day 2 just a few days into the start of it after making my voice perfectly clear during Day 1 that I thought she was obvtown. Yosarian2 would have been a rather easy lynch for me to push given the two investigative role flips, and I would have realized that doing so would have put the game in LYLO right now. So not only do you think I bussed my scum power role partner during Day 2 when she wasn't under any pressure, you also think that I was retarded enough to fakeclaim Watcher when I already would have known that I would receive flak for claiming a role that probably wouldn't be believed by anyone because of the two investigative role flips.

Just stop and think for a bit and tell me if any of the above makes any damn sense. If it does, then vote for me and see if I give a shit. Your set-up speculation would have already lynched Yos2, a claimed Miller, so yeah
LET'S ALL BE STUPID AND NOT LEARN FROM THE FIRST TIME THAT OUR MOD MAY HAVE MADE SOME SCREWY SET-UP THAT MIGHT FUCK WITH OUR MINDS.
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Post Post #877 (ISO) » Wed May 13, 2009 4:22 am

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charter in MD wrote:Whenever someone is on the lynch of scum, and accuses someone else on the lynch of bussing, it makes me wary of the acuser. You need to come up with other reasons than 'suspected bussing' if you want anyone else to listen to you. I think subjective is fine for your own opinions, but then you need to dig up/invent objective points for others to go on.
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Post Post #878 (ISO) » Wed May 13, 2009 4:56 am

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I'm pretty sure no one is trying to lynch anyone else for the sole reason of being on Ether's wagon.

Incog, do you not see how claiming a third investigative role is met with heavy suspicion by the rest of the town?
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Post Post #879 (ISO) » Wed May 13, 2009 5:44 am

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Yes, I can see that but what do you expect me to do? Lie about my role and claim Vanilla just so I don't have to put up with this?

Now I know how Elmo felt in my game when I put in two Cops in a set-up and nobody believed him.
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Post Post #880 (ISO) » Wed May 13, 2009 9:17 am

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Sorry, I'm not in the mood to read page 35 onwards.
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Post Post #881 (ISO) » Wed May 13, 2009 11:37 am

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Korts wrote:Sorry, I'm not in the mood to read page 35 onwards.
Then get yourself replaced. We dont need your self centered shit here.
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Post Post #882 (ISO) » Wed May 13, 2009 11:48 am

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I will read it tomorrow. I didn't intend to ignore it.
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Post Post #883 (ISO) » Wed May 13, 2009 1:04 pm

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GC wrote:I have no reason to think that we don't have at least a single doctor-esque role out there.
Not every game contains a protective role. The only previous vollkan game I've played in didn't, so it doesn't seem like a safe assumption.
GC wrote:Outside of his actual claim and apart from my D1 squabble with him, he never really registered on my scumdar again - yet another reason why I am inclined to believe him. I actually don't understand you persistent suspicions of Korts, so I'm all ears as to why he's still not confirmed for you.
I can see scum choosing to claim bodyguard on day 1, it's less likely to draw a counterclaim and if he fears another scum faction, it's also less likely to draw a nightkill. But mainly it's because I think we likely have 2-1-3 and if he's town I'm struggling to think of a two person team I believe in.

I think the obviousness of Ether's scumhood yesterday is being exagerated. Yes it was pretty obvious late in the day when she more or less gave up, but at the very start of day 1, I don't remember much suspicion on her at all, and the Yos wagon would have been an easy one to join. I really, really don't think Incognito's move on Ether was a busing effort and I'm amazed that the notion seems popular. His recent posts look pretty town to me as well.

Xdaamno needs to post something with actual substance. He's hanging back, and it doesn't take a genius to work out why.
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Post Post #884 (ISO) » Wed May 13, 2009 2:57 pm

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Korts wrote:I will read it tomorrow. I didn't intend to ignore it.
Ok. It sounded like from your earlier one you had no intention of reading the last page at all. I didn't realize you just weren't doing it now.
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Post Post #885 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 6:57 am

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Thank you, Patrick, for bringing some sense into this thread. Much appreciated. Still not sure if you're scum though whereas GC is almost certainly scum.

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Post Post #886 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 3:41 pm

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I'll be out of town for the weekend, starting tomorrow. I'll be back Sunday and will have a post by Monday at the latest of at least a "I'm here and read the thread."
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Post Post #887 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 8:21 pm

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Xdaamno has been prodded
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Post Post #888 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 4:17 am

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GC wrote:The third mafia with Xd and Ether? After I have pushed heavily for both of their lynches (Xd for both D1, D2 and D3; Ether for D2)? That... makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Nyeh, I'm aware of the fact that you were on both cases; but the argument against Xd on D1 seemed slightly overhyped, and largely by you--it could be bussing. Then again, you wouldn't push his case now, when you likely need your hypothetical partner for endgame purposes...

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To be fair you're misrepresenting the argument for the multiple scumgroups though--it is not fact that since Ether flipped a particular brand of scum, it must be 2:2; but it is fact that there have been two NKs for the last two nights. The "Red Mafia" thing only implies that it is more likely 2:2 than 3:1, not that it is conclusively 2:2. My vote on you was a compromise between the two scenarios, since if it's 3:1, I considered you more likely to be Ether and Xd's partner than Patrick based on the faux D1 case on Xd; and if it's 2:2, Xd's the obvious choice for an Ether scumbuddy, therefore we must kill from the other scumgroup.

I'll need to review Patrick's stances on Days 1, 2 and 3 re: Ether and Xd again, since I forget what his opinions were...

Incog, since we've pretty much established that Yos' miller role was a red herring, why discount the possibility that Ether's "red mafia" role is a red herring as well?
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Post Post #889 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 4:42 am

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For reference I believe at least 2 of Patrick/GC/Xdaamno to be scum, leaning towards all of them. XD is obviously Ether's partner, I just need to determine the other two's alignment and decide on which scenario of 2:2 and 3:1 is more likely based on their interactions.
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Post Post #890 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 5:28 am

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Incognito wrote:Thank you, Patrick, for bringing some sense into this thread. Much appreciated. Still not sure if you're scum though whereas GC is almost certainly scum.

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Post Post #891 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 5:33 am

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EBWOP: Got a little more time:

... because the last few times I posted were only a page ago.
Patrick wrote:Xdaamno needs to post something with actual substance. He's hanging back, and it doesn't take a genius to work out why.
This is annoying, and made me consider replacing out. Mafia sucks here because of the meta that you have to have no life to play it.

The mutual suspiscion on me in the last few posts is, objectively, from my point of view, scum-driven and has gone unnoticed because of a tired, bloodthirsty town.

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Post Post #892 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 5:35 am

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Green Crayons looks scummy to me. I have a feeling his pathetic insults at me are not because he is an angry person, but because he is trying to replace any suspiscion I have of him with an emotion.
Green Crayons wrote:Incog: In light of all of this, who would you like to see lynched today as of this moment?
Fairly scummy quote, but not representative of my feelings I think.
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Post Post #893 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 5:47 am

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Xdaamno wrote:This is annoying, and made me consider replacing out. Mafia sucks here because of the meta that you have to have no life to play it.
No, that's bullshit. You're not being asked anything unreasonable, you've largely avoided posting substance all game. The most you post is when you come under heavy attack, and even then you seem to defend yourself more than you look for scum.
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Post Post #894 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 6:16 am

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And to expand on that, a prod and request for content is quite reasonable when all your posts today up until your last have been fluff and not said anything about your suspicions. To say that you're being asked to have no life is an obvious exageration.
Xdaamno wrote:The mutual suspiscion on me in the last few posts is, objectively, from my point of view, scum-driven and has gone unnoticed because of a tired, bloodthirsty town.
It pretty much has to be, since everyone in the game except you has expressed suspicion of you.
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Post Post #895 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 6:17 am

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Patrick wrote:
Xdaamno wrote:This is annoying, and made me consider replacing out. Mafia sucks here because of the meta that you have to have no life to play it.
No, that's bullshit. You're not being asked anything unreasonable, you've largely avoided posting substance all game. The most you post is when you come under heavy attack, and even then you seem to defend yourself more than you look for scum.
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Post Post #896 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 6:18 am

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Patrick wrote:And to expand on that, a prod and request for content is quite reasonable when all your posts today up until your last have been fluff and not said anything about your suspicions. To say that you're being asked to have no life is an obvious exageration.
Xdaamno wrote:The mutual suspiscion on me in the last few posts is, objectively, from my point of view, scum-driven and has gone unnoticed because of a tired, bloodthirsty town.
It pretty much has to be, since everyone in the game except you has expressed suspicion of you.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the 'xdaamno is obvscum, here's our plan to deal with him' position that only a couple of people have expressed.
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Post Post #897 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 6:19 am

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Also:
Xdaamno wrote:
Patrick wrote:And to expand on that, a prod and request for content is quite reasonable when
all your posts today up until your last have been fluff and not said anything about your suspicions
. To say that you're being asked to have no life is
an obvious exageration
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Post Post #898 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 6:39 am

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The 3 posts you've made this game day but before this real life day don't say anything about your suspicions. Quoting me and saying fail doesn't change that fact.

How many scum do we have left in the game?
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Post Post #899 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 6:57 am

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Post 888, Korts wrote:Incog, since we've pretty much established that Yos' miller role was a red herring, why discount the possibility that Ether's "red mafia" role is a red herring as well?
Yeah, I did consider this. The issue I have with this hypothesis is it doesn't explain why
Ether
submitted the kill during Night 1. If I consider the possible scenarios for possible three-person scum teams (excluding you and charter in each of the groups), I get the following: Ether/Xdaamno/Patrick, Ether/Xdaamno/GC, Ether/Patrick/GC.

In each case, there's at least one person who was under the radar enough or considered town enough during Day 1 to have submitted the kill without fear of being tracked or roleblocked during Night 1. So why would one of the possible scum teams mentioned above still allow their Mafia Roleblocker to submit the kill? It doesn't really make much sense unless we're dealing with a set-up that has only two scum in it and maybe an SK. In that case though, I'd somewhat expect an SK to be prepping for some kind of vig claim or something of the sort but the kills during Night 1 and Night 2 and our mass-claim today don't really lend much support to that idea either unless the SK decided to claim Vanilla (not unlikely but still).

So yeah, these are the main reasons I think we're dealing with a two scum team set-up instead of the "Red" in "Red Mafia" being thrown in as a red herring.
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Incognito wrote:Thank you, Patrick, for bringing some sense into this thread. Much appreciated. Still not sure if you're scum though whereas GC is almost certainly scum.

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prod Xdaamno, please?
That prod was unnecessary.
You were gone for three days without leaving any indication that you were on V/LA. It's a perfectly necessary prod to make.
Post 891, Xdaamno wrote: Mafia sucks here because of the meta that you have to have no life to play it.
Ha. I have quite a busy life, and I still make time to post at least once a day. What's your excuse?

I, too, would like to know where your suspicions lie, what your thoughts are about the set-up, and what your thoughts are about everything that's been discussed the past few pages.
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