Nomic II - Moratorium Wins!!!

[Moratorium]

Yay to all

I don't see any of these rules making it harder for me to win more so than anyone else, so go for it.

That's probably going to be my philosophy from here on out.

I'll try anything.

[Lunar_Tick]

Yay to 87-93

Moratorium raises a good point. If we say no to everything this game will get pretty boring quick.
@Lowell: You have voted no to all these rules and promoted the repealing of the previous ones. Im interested in hearing what you would like the game to be like, and to hear a couple of proposals from you.

I'm hatching a set of rules which about a system of government. It will makes things unfair and interesting.

[Lowell]

I'm turned off by the monetary rules at the moment. When I see some good rules I'll vote on them.

I like the idea of a penalty for not voting on the rules, though obviously a non-monetary penalty would be preferable.

[chenhsi]

87 can be exploited.

No to 83, 84, 87

Yes to 85, 86, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93

[Juls]

P94 through P102 have been proposed.

[animorpherv1]

weeee!

/in again, since the stupid Title thing has dissapeard.

[Moratorium]

Yes to all

[animorpherv1]

yes 83-88

more coming

[animorpherv1]

yes 90-92

[animorpherv1]

Yes 93-96

96 is a workable rule, it needs to be changed, tons.

[yabbaguy]

94-96: Nay

. This is counterintuitive to Aussie Politics, as the first incarnation was called.

97-98: Yea

99: Nay

. I'll change to Yea if my general "Game" framework gets thrown out.

100+101: Yea

, but where are you going with this? The last grid didn't do shit, to be frank.

102: Nay

. A player will never go bankrupt in that case.

[Juls]

In Empking's defense regarding the grid, he has proposed something but I asked he elaborate for better understanding.

[chenhsi]

Yes to 94-98, 100-101

No to 99, 102

[yabbaguy]

EBWOP- strike that uselessness comment then.

[dizardin]

Hm. Interesting stuff. I'm not so sure I'm into currency as a way of counting coup - though I don't have any good suggestion on alternatives yet.

Nay to all

[Lunar_Tick]

Yay to: P84-P86, P100, P101
Nay to: P83, P99

P99: there is no way for a challenged player to deny a game.

[Rhinox]

83 yea
84 yea
85 nay

Not voting is typically considered a nay vote. I don't see a problem with letting a rul expire.

86 yea
87 nay

If I dropped to 100$$$, I would just loan it away so I could increase my balance to $1000.

88 nay

Not sure about this win condition.

89 yea
90 yea
91 yea
92 yea
93 yea
94 yea
95 yea
96 yea
97 nay

Interest lons don't really make sense in the game. IRL, you pay interest on loans for 3 reasons really: 1)The priveledge to borrow money, 2)The value of money decreases over time (100$ today is worth more than 100$ tomorrow), and 3)If the bank doesn't lend you money you request, they could invest it instead and earn a profit on the rate of return. Only #1 is really present in the game. To have #2, we need to have a way to systematically increase the amount of $$$ available in the game, and to have #3, we have to have a way to invest our $$$ to earn something in return. I think all that will just add too much complexity.

98 nay
99 nay

This isn't properly defined - can a player who is challenged refuse? If not, I'm voting nay because I'm not going to be forced into a game of luck to lose all my money. Try proposing RPS as a game through the methodology in P89 and P90, and make the game more flexible than "winner takes all" and I'd vote yea.
100 Waiting to vote until I know what the grid does
101 diddo.

102 nay

meh… not really necessary. 100$$$ isn't really that much. Adding 100$$$ to the game every time a game is finished will only serve to decrease the value of a $$$ over time, so that eventually the $$$ you would get from this proposition would be basically worthless.

[Lunar_Tick]

Although we have a lot of way of moving money around with betting and such, there should be a way of increasing one's wealth, by somehow introducing more money into the game. No?

[Lowell]

I think the money issue ties our hands, and we all become CEOs again, which I don't want.

[Rhinox]

I think the money issue ties our hands, and we all become CEOs again, which I don't want.

It depends on how you think of the money. I like the games aspect, and I think of the money as just a point system as a means to a win condition.

I don't want to think of money as money really that can be loaned, invested, etc. We could get rid of the $$$ sign and just call them points, and say it costs 100 points to enter a game, and the winner gets the pool of all the entry points added to thier point total.

@LT: not really. But then again, I tend to favor fixed systems vs. systems where you can do poorly and still get something for free, possibly giving you time to make up for a huge mistake. If everyone starts with a fixed sum of points/money/whatever, and then they are just transferred around, some players will go up while others go down. I don't believe there has to be a way to add money/points into the game. Not saying systems that add money are wrong, but I just prefer the other way.

For example, monopoly adds money to the game through passing go. Its a fun game, and I enjoy playing it. In tournament style texas hold'em, everyone starts with the same number of chips that just get passed around without ever adding more to the game. I also enjoy playing hold'em. Both games are elimination style, using a currency as a points system. Both are very successful. But if I'm making my own game for a forum setting, I prefer a fixed economy elimination style game. I think it would work better and be more fair than continually adding money to the game and/or players restarting.

[Empking]

Nay to 93-98
Yay to rest

[animorpherv1]

yay 89

Games = fun, but there neds to be some idea of "winner gets something". Either I'm missing it,. or it isn't in there.

[skitzer]

Yay to P83
Nay to P84
Yay to P85
Yay to P86
Nay to P87
Nay to P88
Yay to P89
Yay to P90
Yay to P91
Yay to P92
Yay to P93
Nay to P94
Nay to P95
Nay to P96
Yay to P97
Yay to P98
Nay to P99
Yay to P100
Yay to P101
Yay to P102

If Proposals 94-96 pass, I will be severely ticked (no pun intended).

[yabbaguy]

P92, ani. Wagers.

I think I screwed up P87... not sure I wanna Naysay though. Perhaps weekly we all get a payday? Not friggin' 10 $$$, but y'know, something significant? And not necessarily corporate-related? That'll throw $$$ into the game.

[yabbaguy]

P100+P101: Unvote

, as I also am curious. Let's see what the follow-up proposal is.