populartajo wrote:
I wonder if spring would vote or would not vote someone that a)ask for her lynch for no reason at all (and push it hard for weak reasons) and b)ask her to vote that person.
a)This is a misrepresentation, ABR gave reasons, to which you failed to respond intelligently and in an articulate and correct manner. I will expound on this momentarily.
b)Whether someone ask you to vote them is relevant only insofar whether the request is scummy. I find that what ABR has said is un-scummy. I will add here that the post in which says 'vote me' is a follow up to a
particularly inane post by you in which you threaten him with your vote. Tell me, what kind of answer did you expect exactly? From scumABR? From townABR? From anyone actually? Are you surprised at all? And then tell me, what exactly is scummy in ABR telling you to vote him in these circumstances?
To answer your question, in your place I would have:
a) If I thought that he was misguided town: defended against ABR by demonstrating the flaws in his case, and looked elsewhere for scum.
b) If I thought that he was scum: demonstrated why I think he was scum and pushed for his lynch.
The kid thought I wouldnt vote him. Guess he was wrong. I dont think he is obv scum but if he doesnt start making sense then Im so going to push for his death.
This is extremely scummy. If you don't think someone is scum, you don't vote them barring extreme situations (deadline, deadlock etc). Period.
Possible explanations I see to what you are saying are as follow:
- You are scum caught off guard by ABR and are now struggling to find an explanation for your beyond weak vote, and are trying for the 'headstrong town' gimmick.
- You are presumptuous town who think that telling people how they should play and pressuring them to do so is more important than identifying town from scum.
Were you the later, you would have no sympathy from me and would have to work hard to regain any credibility with me. But right now I think that the former is much more likely because 1)the kind of presumptuousness I just described is generally a characteristic of poweroles, and we know that there are no blues in this game 2) my perception of your level of experience makes me think that you taking such a crappy position as town is unlikely.
In any case, you will
not
have a free pass to cast lukewarm, seemingly half policy, half ad-hominem motivated votes from me.
Now, impress me. Why do you think ABR is town?
Firstly, if it is your prerogative to ask for explanations, and my liberty to give them, I in no way have to 'impress' you. The implied subordination here is disagreeable to me and is possibly manipulative ('bully bias' wherein people tends to side with whomever talks bigger/is meaner); I'll ask you to watch it if you don't want things to turn nasty because I'm just enough of a jerk to respond to condescension in kind. The fact that I think you are scum right now will only make maliciousness all the more easy. I'm not asking for politeness, just the minimum of neutrality. You've been given fair warning.
Now, on why I think ABR isn't scum: town has a particular way of proposing wobbly logic that is exceptionally hard to imitate as scum. Here I could indeed put on an impressive paragraph on how imo the phenomenon is generally the by product of townie intuitions that aren't always easy to rationalize and a natural human tendency to laziness in doing so, but the bottom line on this is that any player with a modicum of experience known this. It is possible that scumABR is subtle enough to pull off this kind of townie stubbornness caricature, but not likely.
Plus, the logic he has proposed is not totally unfounded:
1) It is not a stretch to think that scum would have chosen to veto players whom are perceived as stronger/harder to lynch.
2) Out of the name he has proposed, I don't think his veto list is stretching though I have to say I haven't heard of q21 before.
The downside to this plan is that this kind of policy lynch is pretty much a coin flip affair, if it just happens that scum is in the 'probably not veto'd list', town would have very little to go on with. So I agree that this game should be played as a vanilla game. This is the most valable criticisms that could have been made against what ABR has proposed, and you failed short of highlighting it.
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Now, you have indeed
not impressed
me with the explanation of your vote and I think the position you have taken to justify it is undefendable, and therefore scummy.
You say that ABR's vote is weak (and while I happen to agree to an extent), this is extremely hypocritical because your vote happens to be beyond weak.
