Wheel of Time Mafia: Rip in the Pattern (GAME OVER)

[Mastermind of Sin]

Flay, if there is anything you've been holding back about your role, consider this your last chance to reveal it. I don't believe your claim, and if your next post doesn't convince me you are telling the truth, I'm going to lynch you. After that, no amount of backpedaling or changing your story is going to make me change my vote.

[Mastermind of Sin]

As for why I don't believe Flay's claim, it seems sketchy to me that he gets results on an entire post, especially since there could be subjective statements in it. I don't think Kinetic would have designed a role to work like that. It seems more likely that he would have you check one statement rather than an entire post.

Flay, claim your Day 1 target and results before it is too late.

[Yosarian2]

It wouldn't "force" us to lynch anyone; unless you are suggesting that you think MBL and Flay are scum together and they're orcistrating this whole thing for the town's benifit?

Yes, this is totally plausible. Not only that, if MBL is scum and Flay isn't, MBL might not confirm. I don't think that the location-confirming test tells us anything.

Meh, I'm not to worried about that.

If they're both scum together, then it would be risky for MBL to try to protect Flay like this. In any case, if we really think that, we can use someone else to test Flay (or test Flay again tommorow with someone else, or whatever).

If MBL is scum and Flay isn't, I doubt he'll say "Flay is lying scum, lynch him", and then we lynch Flay and find out Flay was town; if he does, then that gives us a one-for-one trade, which is fine by me.

[Mr. Flay]

As for why I don't believe Flay's claim, it seems sketchy to me that he gets results on an entire post, especially since there could be subjective statements in it. I don't think Kinetic would have designed a role to work like that. It seems more likely that he would have you check one statement rather than an entire post.

Sounds to me like you just volunteered to have me lie-detect you today. Or are you panicked scum trying to kill off a role that looks overpowered to your side?

UnFoS: Slicey, FoS: MoS

- you've been accusing me of incompetence ever since you entered the game. I didn't think the role sounds reasonable either when I got it, but why would I claim something so complex and easily falsifiable if I could make the simpler claim you're theorizing? Think, man!

And I'm not going to claim the rest of the role's details just on your say-so; doing so might nerf the ability irretrievably.

Flay, claim your Day 1 target and results before it is too late.

I will before it's too late, but now is not that time, just on your threat. And I've already told you the result; I know someone isn't lying about their win condition being pro-town.

[Slicey]

I had a good feeling you lie detected that Flay. Which is why I was slightly inclined to believe your claim. Can someone answer my question though if the flavor makes sense?

[julienvonwolfe]

As for Flay's claim... I'm not totally sold on it. Does it make sense flavor wise for a horse trader to be a lie detector? And plus, there's no way to really prove it until whoever Flay checked dies.

It's plausible. Horse traders in the books are the WoT's car salesmen and are used to negotiating and haggling (see their dealings with Mat). So, I could see this extending to lie detection.

I confess that I don't understand why Flay is holding back his information, though.


ABR: No reply to these posts?

And in the middle of the night, Abel washes himself in the moonlit river.

I noticed that KoC and Isaac suddenly eclipsed themselves to talk in a quicktopic thread following my claim.

Can we revisit this?

Serial killers don't usually night talk do they?

Aes Sedai can't lie, can they?

What's this all about?

@JVW He could say that just fine if he believed it at the time. Why would you bring up these comments now?

Vote JVW

From my experience as an Aes Sedai in the last game, I would've thought that it would be a bad comment to make.

Sure, he may have believed it, but without explaining why he believes it, it's a reckless comment if not a flat-out lie.

To my reading, his wording only leaves one possible explanation if he is town: that he detected out-of-thread communication between Isacc & KoC. However, this seems unlikely to me as Isacc was an SK.

[MrBuddyLee]

I chose to sleep at the blacksmith night 1.

I chose to sleep at the stables night 2.
I chose to sleep at the blacksmith night 2.
I chose to sleep at the river night 2.
I chose to sleep at the windmill night 2.
I chose to sleep at the barn night 2.
I chose to sleep at the silo night 2.

My role PM says I win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
I've killed someone in this game.
A teammate of mine has killed someone in this game.
I have the ability to kill in this game.

Flay has about a 4% chance of correctly lie detecting these questions unless he is telling the truth. Any investigative role can then prove the alignment of both Flay and myself with a single investigation.

[MacavityLock]

I think it would be good to have at least one other person post something similar to what MBL did above, just to guard us against the case that Flay and MBL are working together, or that MBL is on his own trying to pull something. As a group, we could then choose who Flay should target, etc. I think a good candidates for this would be Kairyuu and SpyreX, as they have already outed themselves as non-AS.

[Kison]

I chose to sleep at the blacksmith night 1.

I chose to sleep at the stables night 2.
I chose to sleep at the blacksmith night 2.
I chose to sleep at the river night 2.
I chose to sleep at the windmill night 2.
I chose to sleep at the barn night 2.
I chose to sleep at the silo night 2.

My role PM says I win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
I've killed someone in this game.
A teammate of mine has killed someone in this game.
I have the ability to kill in this game.

Flay has about a 4% chance of correctly lie detecting these questions unless he is telling the truth. Any investigative role can then prove the alignment of both Flay and myself with a single investigation.

Brilliant. I see no reason not to test Flay's ability. He willingly made his own role complex in such a way that lying about it will be even

more

difficult for himself, and we have the capacity to prove/disprove it.

[Slicey]

I'd have no problem doing it, my role is kinda useless.

Unvote, Vote: MBL

[MrBuddyLee]

Slicey, you're a moron. I just volunteered to have myself lie detected.

[Kairyuu]

I'll use MBL's list plus some more in case Mr. Flay wants to use me as his test as well. I'm somewhat iffy about the claim, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while if he's right.

I chose to sleep at the blacksmith night 1.

I chose to sleep at the stables night 2.
I chose to sleep at the blacksmith night 2.
I chose to sleep at the river night 2.
I chose to sleep at the windmill night 2.
I chose to sleep at the barn night 2.
I chose to sleep at the silo night 2.

My role PM says I win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
I've killed someone in this game.
A teammate of mine has killed someone in this game.
I have the ability to kill in this game.

I am a Butler.
I have a motivate power.
I used my power on Isacc D1.
I selected Albert D2 as my motivate target in case the global roleblock failed.
I selected Faraday D2 as my motivate target in case the global roleblock failed.
I selected Yosarian2 D2 as my motivate target in case the global roleblock failed.

I have motivated armlx for D3.
I have motivated Kison for D3.
I have motivated Albert for D3.
I have motivated MBL for D3.
I have motivated Mr. Flay of D3.
I have motivated Faraday for D3.
I have motivated MoS for D3.
I have motivated OozingGoogBall for D3.
I have motivated Yosarian2 for D3.

[Slicey]

Slicey, you're a moron. I just volunteered to have myself lie detected.

XD Yes I am.

Unvote

So there goes my two suspicions. >_>

[MrBuddyLee]

Honestly, guys, we should get some useful info out of this lie detect, not just see if Flay is lying. (Not bloody likely.) Kairyuu's already semi-confirmed. If anyone unconfirmed would like to volunteer, that's fine, but I think you'll all be quite pleased to have me confirmed. Assuming Flay's not scum.

[armlx]

I'm not giving details on exactly how it works unless there's strong consensus for that, as it will nerf my ability.

This is SO scummy. That said, Flay using his ability on MBL here should work out. No more people should post those lists though as it auto confirms them not AS.

[Benmage]

Spryex make a post like MBL and Kairyuu please.

[SpyreX]

Done and done:

I chose to sleep at the stables night 1.
I chose to sleep at the blacksmith night 1.
I chose to sleep at the river night 1.
I chose to sleep at the windmill night 1.
I chose to sleep at the barn night 1.
I chose to sleep at the silo night 1.

I chose to sleep at the stables night 2.
I chose to sleep at the blacksmith night 2.
I chose to sleep at the river night 2.
I chose to sleep at the windmill night 2.
I chose to sleep at the barn night 2.
I chose to sleep at the silo night 2.

My role PM says I win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
I've killed someone in this game.
A teammate of mine has killed someone in this game.
I have the ability to kill in this game.
My win condition has changed this game.
My win condition has not changed this game.
I know my win condition has changed this game.
I know my win condition has not changed this game.

I am a male user of the one power.
I am a female user of the one power.
I am a male user of the true power.
I am a female user of the true power.

I am a farmer.
I am a blacksmith.
I am a tabac gatherer.
I am from a city.
I am from a village.

I was gentled N1.
I was gentled N2.
I was not gentled N1.
I was not gentled N2.

I was gentled T1.
I was gentled T2.
I was not gentled T1.
I was not gentled T2.

I have never used my shadow power.
I have used my shadow power.
I have used my shadow power and didn't tell anyone who.
I still have my shadow power.

My win condition if it changed would have been to an SK
My win condition if it changed would have been to something else.
My win condition has already changed.
I still win with the town.

I was one of the town people mentioned in the notice left.
I was the non-town role mentioned in the notice left.

[Moratorium]

I like how every time someone posts statements for Flay, it's twice as long as the predecessor...

That said, MBL, you should probably revise your list and make it more definite like the other two, so that there isn't a "4% chance" or wherever you got that number.

[armlx]

Wait, SpyreX, did you lose the requirement to follow the Oaths when you were gentled?

[MrBuddyLee]

That said, MBL, you should probably revise your list and make it more definite like the other two, so that there isn't a "4% chance" or wherever you got that number.

Oh cmon, be a sport. If he's lying scum, don't you at least want to give him a hint of chance for success?

[SpyreX]

Arm: I never had any Oaths. I am a male that was going batshit crazy.

I figure'd I would hit ALL the bases. There's some hax in there that if he gets them all right AND is scum he, well, deserves the win.

[Moratorium]

That said, MBL, you should probably revise your list and make it more definite like the other two, so that there isn't a "4% chance" or wherever you got that number.

Oh cmon, be a sport. If he's lying scum, don't you at least want to give him a hint of chance for success?

The opposite of this.

[Mastermind of Sin]

As for why I don't believe Flay's claim, it seems sketchy to me that he gets results on an entire post, especially since there could be subjective statements in it. I don't think Kinetic would have designed a role to work like that. It seems more likely that he would have you check one statement rather than an entire post.

Sounds to me like you just volunteered to have me lie-detect you today. Or are you panicked scum trying to kill off a role that looks overpowered to your side?

UnFoS: Slicey, FoS: MoS

- you've been accusing me of incompetence ever since you entered the game. I didn't think the role sounds reasonable either when I got it, but why would I claim something so complex and easily falsifiable if I could make the simpler claim you're theorizing? Think, man!

And I'm not going to claim the rest of the role's details just on your say-so; doing so might nerf the ability irretrievably.

Flay, claim your Day 1 target and results before it is too late.

I will before it's too late, but now is not that time, just on your threat. And I've already told you the result; I know someone isn't lying about their win condition being pro-town.

Lie detect this, then.

I know information about Flay's role and/or actions that directly implicates him as possible scum, information he did NOT reveal to the town.

If he was protown, he would have revealed this information. He lied to us when he claimed, and we should lynch him now. I gave him a chance to come clean, and he did not. As such, I no longer have any reason to believe that the information I have *could* come from a protown person.

No, I do not intend to reveal the nature of this information, because not only will it help Flay-scum try to weasel out of being lynched, but it will help other scum gauge how much of a threat I am to them. Lynch Flay, and you will see I am correct.

Flay, I will only ask this one more time:

Who did you target Day 1?

[Faraday]

Well waiting on a response from Flay, I guess.

[Sajin]

If this is wrong, MoS I have your head tomorrow. I still think your scum.