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[fallen angel]

So... you didn't read through at all? It's four pages, that's hardly impossible to do.

[CJMiller]

I didn't see the page counter until after I posted and changing my vote based on what happened would seem scummy.

[fallen angel]

Fair enough.

Unvote

[Datadanne]

I was writing a nice little vote count, then it dissappeared.
This will have to do for now.

(Person votes Person)

tar - yosa
user - angel
sotty7 - angel
mastin - angel
khamisa - user
ogml - caboose
yosa - angel
cjmiller - user

Angel is at LY-2

[Mastin]

Will get in a post as soon as able to.

Hi, this is Mastin, and the only reason I do not support a Fallen Angel lynch at this point is due to how we need more discussion for day two. (Also, FA claimed not cop--a claim already?)

[Yosarian2]

His play seems town enough, but he appears to be changing his mind every post or other, which does not sit very well.

I'm a bit confused by this. Being willing to change your mind is a town tell, IMHO; town should try to be somewhat unpredictable. That being said, I don't think I have changed my mind about anything yet. I did a silly "touch your nose and say NOT SCUM" thing at the strart, because it seemed like it's be more fun then a random vote, and I was also hoping hte reactions to it would be more telling. Then based on the reaction and the mastin vote, I voted fallen angel. I actually haven't changed my mind about anything yet this game, as far as I know; could you clarify?

[iamausername]

I didn't see the page counter until after I posted and changing my vote based on what happened would seem scummy.

Fair enough.

Unvote

What part of that is 'fair enough'? Changing one's vote based on what happened is like, fundamental basics of how to play the game. No one is going to say that CJ is scummy for

changing his vote based on what happened

. That is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

[OhGodMyLife]

FoS: Mastin

for stalling an FA lynch

Unvote, Vote: Fallen Angel

[CJMiller]

I didn't see the page counter until after I posted and changing my vote based on what happened would seem scummy.

Fair enough.

Unvote

What part of that is 'fair enough'? Changing one's vote based on what happened is like, fundamental basics of how to play the game. No one is going to say that CJ is scummy for

changing his vote based on what happened

. That is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

I random voted, and it would most likely be seen as scummy if I changed my vote almost immediately.

[OhGodMyLife]

CJ, why is it that the only thing you're concerned with is not looking scummy?

[Korejora]

Has there been enough from CJ or Khamisa to form an opinion?

They essentially hadn't posted

at all

at that point, so I assumed they were getting around to it or being replaced.. and I feel like people are more responsive if you don't lump them in big groups and yell at them all at once. A list of only two people is much more personal.

Yos, there's just one specific thing that weirded me out: after Tarballs posted, you declared that he was right about your minigambit, then directly after that, FA posted essentially the opposite opinion, and then you immediately declared

he

was right. (Later down you just popped out another reason for voting seemingly out of nowhere after the fact, but I don't see anything especially wrong with that out of context.)

[CJMiller]

CJ, why is it that the only thing you're concerned with is not looking scummy?

Because I'm trying to last until the end of the game.

Also, I will claim now.

I am a

seer

. Each night, I can investigate someone to find out if they are a human or a werewolf. Basically, I'm a flavor cop. I win when the town outnumbers the mafia and werewolves combined.

[iamausername]

Also, I will claim now.

WHY

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

WHY

[Tarballs]

Right. My theory was that scum would be all paranoid about responding to something like that, in any way, for fear it would look scummy; I know I would feel wierd about blatently yelling "NOT TOWN!" as scum, whereas as town I might be more likely to just play along and have fun. So once it got going, my plan was to vote the first person who completly ignored the whole thing, on the theory that that was the most likely way for scum to respond to it; I'd expect town would either play along with it, or attack it, but scum would try to ignore it completly. And you were the first to not mention it at all.

(I have no idea if that's anything like a reliable scumtell, but who cares, it's better then a random vote.)

Good answer. That sounds believable enough.

Random vote: iamausername

That isn't random.
That's based off of my fos earlier.

You fossed three people in the very first post of the game. It was obvious that at least someone was going to randomvote one of them. So that was an unfair trap in my opinion

I'm thinking about Fallen's play, and thinking of whether it matches the play as Fallen

Angel

(Angel, alias for cop? Get it? ) in 763.

Seeing that Fallen Angel only registered about 2 months ago and has only completed two games, as far as I can see from his signature, I would expect there to still be some inconsistency in his playing between different games.

That being said, even though FA's behaviour has deserved some votes, I'm not too comfortable with the rapid speed of his wagon. Especially this:

FoS: Mastin

for stalling an FA lynch

Unvote, Vote: Fallen Angel

is really unnecessary. There are people whose opinions we haven't heard yet and there's absolutely no reason to end this day yet. Even if FA were to be lynched, and even if he did flip scum, there is still more information to be found today.

I am a

seer

. Each night, I can investigate someone to find out if they are a human or a werewolf. Basically, I'm a flavor cop. I win when the town outnumbers the mafia and werewolves combined.

Oh for god's sake, what was the idea in that? If your claim really is true, do you still expect to be around tomorrow? That's contradicting your goal to make it to the end of the game in the worst possible way.

Seriously, I don't know what to think about this. In the best case scenario, you're lying. In worst case scenario, you just doomed the whole town.

Unvote, Vote: CJMiller

[CJMiller]

Why is it that I get yelled at no matter what I do?

(And it's not just Mafia either, it's in real life as well.)

[OhGodMyLife]

CJ, claiming was dumb, thats why you're getting yelled at.

Tarballs, voting him for the claim is dumber by several orders of magnitude.

[Tarballs]

Yeah, that's true. I was voting for you, then clicked Preview and saw CJ's claim. I guess I wasn't thinking too clearly and over-reacted. There's really no reason to vote for a seer claim at this point.

Unvote, Vote: OGML

CJ:

Why do you think it was a good idea to claim Seer?

[Korejora]

o\

it's too bad not to be true..

[Khamisa]

I have a post count of over three per day, despite long periods of not posting for days/weeks/months. So, uh, no, not a big chunk, in my opinion.
Lynch the person with the lack of devotion?

(On a side note, I had names which I find initially hard to abbreviate. Kham? Misa? Kha? You get the idea.)

I'm devoted. I may not post as much as you, but I still read and remark where need be. Post count means absolutely nothing to me.

And "Kham" would be acceptable

That isn't random.
That's based off of my fos earlier

If that were true, I wouldn't have put random vote.

Mastin, this "case" on me is very, VERY poorly reasoned.

Heck, on epicmafia, I've had typos determine the outcome of a game--
Typos in a cop report, for example.

Referencing MafiaScum to that abomination almost deserves a vote.

All in all, posting six posts in a row just really isn't acceptable, IMO, in just exhibits a certain level of narcissism.

CJ's claim was bad. At least we know who we're lynching tomorrrow if he's not dead.

[Sotty7]

Take the alleged werewolf softclaim. How is that a claim at all? I mean in my day to day life, I encounter all kinds of people, and some of them make me worried about the world's future. That has nothing to do with this.

What exactly are you talking about here?

Seriously?

Giving newbie 763 a brief look over Fallen does seem to be handing Mastin completely differently. I think we could be on to something here.

Unvote, Vote: Fallen Angel

I can't really put my finger on it, but something about this vote is giving me bad vibes.

Try.

Unvote, Vote: Caboose

Gives his support to the fallen angel wagon by way of agreeing with a point made by Mastin, then turns around and calls bad vibes on Sotty7 for

voting for fallen angel

.

True. But it is possible to like a lynch but not like a certian vote on that wagon for one reason or another. Would be better if he but his worries into words rather than the old "bad vibes" fall back however.

Gives his support to the fallen angel wagon by way of agreeing with a point made by Mastin, then turns around and calls bad vibes on

Sotty7 for voting for fallen angel.

Also, the bolded part isn't true. The vote on fallen angel didn't matter to me. The entrance onto the wagon did (ie - A vote on fallen angel wasn't what I was calling Sotty7 down on, it was the akward way she did it).

How was it awkward?

There has got to be more then enough information that you should be able to cast a random vote.

Unvote, Vote CJMiller

You've clearly never played with CJ. I'm not an expect on town vs scum CJ, but he's always that stupid. Can't hold it against him since he was town and stupid lynched by it.

Also, you are trying to deflect on CJ.

I endorse this post.

CJ, why is it that the only thing you're concerned with is not looking scummy?

Because I'm trying to last until the end of the game.

Also, I will claim now.

I am a

seer

. Each night, I can investigate someone to find out if they are a human or a werewolf. Basically, I'm a flavor cop. I win when the town outnumbers the mafia and werewolves combined.

OMG

Why do you think claiming in a game where there is no protective roles will help you last until endgame?

Yeah, that's true. I was voting for you, then clicked Preview and saw CJ's claim. I guess I wasn't thinking too clearly and over-reacted. There's really no reason to vote for a seer claim at this point.

Unvote, Vote: OGML

CJ:

Why do you think it was a good idea to claim Seer?

Err wow...

The cynical side of me can't help but think this quick 180 has a lot to do with Yosarian's post 105. The logical side of me understands the CJ frustration.

A lot.

Mod: Is there any chance we can have a clearer vote count?

[Yosarian2]

CJ, claiming was dumb, thats why you're getting yelled at.

Tarballs, voting him for the claim is dumber by several orders of magnitude.

(nods) I agree with OGML.

Unprovoked power role claim=bad
Voting a claimed power role on day 1=usually bad

[Yosarian2]

Yos, there's just one specific thing that weirded me out: after Tarballs posted, you declared that he was right about your minigambit, then directly after that, FA posted essentially the opposite opinion, and then you immediately declared

he

was right.

Well, tarballs is right that pro-town people usually don't need to declare themselves pro-town in the abstract case. In this case, though, especally in an early joking around way, it's completly harmless. Either playing along, or loudly refusing to play along, or attacking everyone who played along, are all rational pro-town responses to that; however, any one of those would kind of run counter to normal scum reactions, for different reasons.

(On a side note; in the last mafia meet last summer, Pooky actually caught me with this in a live face-to-face game; he said something like this, everyone else said "not scum!", and I hesitated for a second because I couldn't quickly think of how to respond. They lynched me for hesitating, and I was scum, haha.)

[CJMiller]

Tarballs: I was simply trying not to get lynched, something other players seem intent on doing every game.

Korejora: What?

[Korejora]

Happiness, rainbows, sunshine and flowers are what. Enough with the defeatism.

[Wulfy]

CJ, why is it that the only thing you're concerned with is not looking scummy?

...Check his meta...he's an idiot.

Has there been enough from CJ or Khamisa to form an opinion?

They essentially hadn't posted

at all

at that point, so I assumed they were getting around to it or being replaced.. and I feel like people are more responsive if you don't lump them in big groups and yell at them all at once. A list of only two people is much more personal.

Yos, there's just one specific thing that weirded me out: after Tarballs posted, you declared that he was right about your minigambit, then directly after that, FA posted essentially the opposite opinion, and then you immediately declared

he

was right. (Later down you just popped out another reason for voting seemingly out of nowhere after the fact, but I don't see anything especially wrong with that out of context.)

Please give the points at which this happened to make it more like a case, and I will gladly support this.

CJ, why is it that the only thing you're concerned with is not looking scummy?

Because I'm trying to last until the end of the game.

Also, I will claim now.

I am a

seer

. Each night, I can investigate someone to find out if they are a human or a werewolf. Basically, I'm a flavor cop. I win when the town outnumbers the mafia and werewolves combined.

I would like you to know that I hate you.

Side note:

FoS Tarballs

Do not vote the "seer."

Yos: Hilarious story.