What you wrote is full of shit.Setael wrote: @spring: your play is very emotional and I'm guessing this post is going to make you angry. There is certainly a chance that I'm wrong and if that's the case please don't just blurt out your role name in anger. If youarea townie, you've already unnecessarily drawn scum attention. I certainly have no reason to think you might do other unnecessary things. More likely, though, you're not guest aligned.
"People" (in bold) meaning who exactly? Just Dizzy? How is one person "people"? I know this is the reasoning you have given. However, the point stands that your soft claim was incredibly premature. I don't think a townie would soft claim to stop a name claim that was SO far from even gathering much support.spring wrote:What you wrote is full of shit.
1.I softclaimed because I figured that if the matter was discussed further, protown people who share a motive in not nameclaiming would only be put in a position to reveal themselves further, causing more damage to the town than putting an end quickly to the stupidity by one softclaim. I drew attention to it becausepeoplewere too stupid to clue in.
You're twisting my words. Though I'm hardly putting you at -1, my point is that if I'm wrong and you're protown, you have proven yourself to be a player that would do rash things out of anger (such as soft claim for no reason) and I'm asking you to defend yourself rationally rather than get angry and yell out your role in frustration. Though I think it's more likely that your soft claim was calculated and you are scum, it is true that your play is often driven by anger and emotion, and I'm trying to do some damage control in case I'm wrong.spring wrote:2.If I'm ever put in claiming range I will claim. So if you don't want me to claim, why are you voting me? Or are you asking me to die quietly? In which case it would be quite the scummy request.
Based on my previous experience with you and your play in this game so far, I knew you would be angry and lash out at me. This is fine of course, but I didn't want you to claim when a) I could be wrong about your alignment and b) you could just have a fake claim you're dying to use and I don't want my suspicion of you to be your excuse.spring wrote:3. What is the point of noting that I'm being very emotional? Is it an accusation? If it is I will tell you to suck on it because despite being frustrated what I have written in this game is nonetheless perfectly valid and logical and protown, and the failure to the latter criterion's is the only ground on which you are fit to judge my play.
Your soft claim, for reasons previously stated. You shouldn't need to ask me this when I was very clear in my first post.spring wrote:Setael, your read is genuinely shitty. For one, what are you voting me for exactly?
They're both on my town list. I want your read on looker and alabaska.spring wrote:I want your stance on DizzyIzzy and Populartajo.
Looker is dead town. Alabaska is possibly scummy for erratic play.Are you a stupid? What people? TOWN PEOPLE WHO HAVE A REASONS TO BE AGAINST NAMECLAIMING. Your view is warped and dumb, 1)there were several people unwilling to drop the subject, and pursuing the stupidity whereas all very reasonable reasons where given 2)it didn't matter if the idea would gain support in the end, the bottom line is that as long as the subject was discussed, it would force people who knew that nameclaiming was bad, namely in all likehood all town PR's, to reveal their hands further.Setael wrote:"People" (in bold) meaning who exactly? Just Dizzy? How is one person "people"? I know this is the reasoning you have given. However, the point stands that your soft claim was incredibly premature. I don't think a townie would soft claim to stop a name claim that was SO far from even gathering much support.spring wrote:What you wrote is full of shit.
1.I softclaimed because I figured that if the matter was discussed further, protown people who share a motive in not nameclaiming would only be put in a position to reveal themselves further, causing more damage to the town than putting an end quickly to the stupidity by one softclaim. I drew attention to it becausepeoplewere too stupid to clue in.
So your dumb excuse to vote me is that you are 'hardly putting me at L1'? What kind of stupid you are? Or are you scum? If you are town and think I'm scum your job is to lead me to a lynch. The position of your vote should hardly matter to you, so should whether I am claiming. Therein lie the contradiction: you don't want me to claim but you are voting me.You're twisting my words. Though I'm hardly putting you at -1, my point is that if I'm wrong and you're protown, you have proven yourself to be a player that would do rash things out of anger (such as soft claim for no reason) and I'm asking you to defend yourself rationally rather than get angry and yell out your role in frustration. Though I think it's more likely that your soft claim was calculated and you are scum, it is true that your play is often driven by anger and emotion, and I'm trying to do some damage control in case I'm wrong.spring wrote:2.If I'm ever put in claiming range I will claim. So if you don't want me to claim, why are you voting me? Or are you asking me to die quietly? In which case it would be quite the scummy request.
So tell me, in a perfect town perspective, what is the purpose of what you are saying exactly beside asking me to be lynched without claiming?a)I was kinda waiting on you on that one, the meta you have on me is town anger. If anything it should be a town weight in the balance from your POV. So what is the purpose of you mentionning it here beside trying to dismiss what I say as 'anger' and 'lashing out'? And as a personal message, when I see stupid I will call on it, and no amount of you playing victim will make the fact that your arguments are stupid go away, and no amount of ill humour on my part will make my arguments less true.Based on my previous experience with you and your play in this game so far, I knew you would be angry and lash out at me. This is fine of course, but I didn't want you to claim when a) I could be wrong about your alignment and b) you could just have a fake claim you're dying to use and I don't want my suspicion of you to be your excuse.spring wrote:3. What is the point of noting that I'm being very emotional? Is it an accusation? If it is I will tell you to suck on it because despite being frustrated what I have written in this game is nonetheless perfectly valid and logical and protown, and the failure to the latter criterion's is the only ground on which you are fit to judge my play.
b)You are definitively way stupid or scum. What should a claim matter to you if you think I'm scum? Are you again trying to evade responsibility for pushing someone to a claim? Were you town, wouldn't you be glad if I claimed out of anger, since it would further you apparent predictions about what you think would be my scum MO?
As arguments, yours are dumb and of zero value. The only effect to what you are saying is as follow: "I want to vote for spring but I do not want to take responsibility if she claims".Your excuse to vote me is lame and stupid and possibly scummy. You shouldn't need to pretend not understanding that it is what I implied in my asking you when I was very clear in my previous post.Your soft claim, for reasons previously stated. You shouldn't need to ask me this when I was very clear in my first post.spring wrote:Setael, your read is genuinely shitty. For one, what are you voting me for exactly?They're both on my town list. I want your read on looker and alabaska.spring wrote:I want your stance on DizzyIzzy and Populartajo.
Are you a stupid? What people? TOWN PEOPLE WHO HAVE A REASONS TO BE AGAINST NAMECLAIMING. Your view is warped and dumb, 1)there were several people unwilling to drop the subject and whom where pursuing the stupidity whereas all very reasonable reasons where given 2)it didn't matter if the idea would gain support in the end, the bottom line is that as long as the subject was discussed, it would force people who knew that nameclaiming was bad, namely in all likehood all town PR's, to reveal their hands further.Setael wrote:"People" (in bold) meaning who exactly? Just Dizzy? How is one person "people"? I know this is the reasoning you have given. However, the point stands that your soft claim was incredibly premature. I don't think a townie would soft claim to stop a name claim that was SO far from even gathering much support.spring wrote:What you wrote is full of shit.
1.I softclaimed because I figured that if the matter was discussed further, protown people who share a motive in not nameclaiming would only be put in a position to reveal themselves further, causing more damage to the town than putting an end quickly to the stupidity by one softclaim. I drew attention to it becausepeoplewere too stupid to clue in.
So your dumb excuse to vote me is that you are 'hardly putting me at L1'? What kind of stupid you are? Or are you scum? If you are town and think I'm scum your job is to lead me to a lynch. The position of your vote should hardly matter to you, so should whether I am claiming. Therein lie the contradiction: you don't want me to claim but you are voting me.You're twisting my words. Though I'm hardly putting you at -1, my point is that if I'm wrong and you're protown, you have proven yourself to be a player that would do rash things out of anger (such as soft claim for no reason) and I'm asking you to defend yourself rationally rather than get angry and yell out your role in frustration. Though I think it's more likely that your soft claim was calculated and you are scum, it is true that your play is often driven by anger and emotion, and I'm trying to do some damage control in case I'm wrong.spring wrote:2.If I'm ever put in claiming range I will claim. So if you don't want me to claim, why are you voting me? Or are you asking me to die quietly? In which case it would be quite the scummy request.
a)I was kinda waiting on you on that one, the meta you have on me is town anger. If anything it should be a town weight in the balance from your POV. So what is the purpose of you mentionning it here beside trying to dismiss what I say as 'anger' and 'lashing out'? And as a personal message, when I see stupid I will call on it, and no amount of you playing victim will make the fact that your arguments are stupid go away, and no amount of ill humour on my part will make my arguments less true.Based on my previous experience with you and your play in this game so far, I knew you would be angry and lash out at me. This is fine of course, but I didn't want you to claim when a) I could be wrong about your alignment and b) you could just have a fake claim you're dying to use and I don't want my suspicion of you to be your excuse.spring wrote:3. What is the point of noting that I'm being very emotional? Is it an accusation? If it is I will tell you to suck on it because despite being frustrated what I have written in this game is nonetheless perfectly valid and logical and protown, and the failure to the latter criterion's is the only ground on which you are fit to judge my play.
Your excuse to vote me is lame and stupid and possibly scummy. You shouldn't need to pretend not understanding that it is what I implied in my asking you when I was very clear in my previous post.Your soft claim, for reasons previously stated. You shouldn't need to ask me this when I was very clear in my first post.spring wrote:Setael, your read is genuinely shitty. For one, what are you voting me for exactly?
Looker is dead town. Alabaska is possibly scummy for erratic play.[/quote]They're both on my town list. I want your read on looker and alabaska.spring wrote:I want your stance on DizzyIzzy and Populartajo.
I would but his last two posts in the site are a sad face and a promisse to catch up. His other posts are for five days ago.Fritzler wrote:CAN SOMEONE ELSE VOTE FOR ALABASKA J?
Huh, contrarily to you I had actual arguments to deem your pathetic attempt at incriminating to be backed with nothing but dumb, stupid and lame arguments. NOT YOUR CASE.Setael wrote:Spring, your posts have made me realize that I was giving you far too much credit in thinking your soft claim was a clever scum gambit. To use words you are all too familiar with, I'm starting to think your soft claim was just dumb, stupid and lame. Therefore,unvote.
After a skim, I really don't like Phoebus. His reasoning for his suspicions are weak, and I get scum vibes from a lot of his posts, especially where he says he doesn't have anything to contribute when there's certainly a lot that could be discussed.
vote: Phoebus
Are those ellipsis meant to indicate something? If so, what?Fritzler wrote:Obnoxious wasn't the word I wanted to use either...
Mass claiming is not an acceptable strategy in this game as should be obvious to anyone who has half a brain considering that the mod has allowed PM quoting, and considering my softclaim. You suggesting it make it stupid town or scum trying to be misleading; your continued refusal to see logic behind my words is either hallelujah town stupidity and obtuseness or scum bad faith. I don't actually think anyone is that dumb so I think there is a good chance you are scum.DizzyIzzy wrote:Mass claiming is an acceptable strategy in theme games, and especially in one in which the number of roles doesn't seem to fit the theme it can be useful as a strategy to find scum. I don't see why just suggesting that we consider the idea is enough to make someone scum.
I have personal conclusion about your personality judging by the above paragraph, but I will keep them to myself. Because I'm not actually that pointless as to make anything in a game personal. I will remind you that the only competence by which you are fit to address me is to determine whether I am scum. If you have problem with my play, there are only two correct and civil ways to deal with it: report to the mod and ask for arbitrage, which of course I will accept, or replace out yourself.Despite that, I don't think Spring is the lynch today. I have a hard time believing that someone trying to win as scum would be so arrogant, rude, obnoxious, tactless and just plain dislikable, since on a personal level, I'd love to be rid of Spring simply for the personality issues. I also think it'd benefit the game if Srping either left, or started to act like a civilized human being, since people are less likely to post in games in which people with that kinda attitude are posting a lot.
Maybe you should read rule number 1 yourself. I will restate here that at no time I made things personal, that the only personal attacks this game have been directed at me, which I bore with great magnanimity I may add, and it is you amongst other who are making a ridiculous display of unwarranted self righteousness.Phoebus wrote:If I *had* to tack on a name there as forced choice, it'd be springlullaby for a pissy attitude. Go read rule no. 1 and if you don't think is fun, why don't you replace out and find yourself a replacement?
Before "banning half the game", consider whether they'd even consider playing for a pissy mod... *shrug*
Since this is close to getting personal itself, I will not be saying anything more on the issue. I think my point is apparent. I doubt springlullaby really needs to press the issue further and make it even more personal.
*shrug*