Newbie 773 - New Bieland GAME OVER

[xRECKONERx]

I need to point out that tubby claimed

when he wasn't at L-1

. Time for a lynch.

Vote: Tubby

[hasdgfas]

I need to point out that tubby claimed

when he wasn't at L-1

. Time for a lynch.

Vote: Tubby

why is that lynchable?

[Baszie]

As is see it, Koriental and reckoner make themselves seem much less suspicious by trying to get me in the game again (again, sorry, should have said something). Dragonfly has made some excellent points, and he voted against bobo.
The way I see it, hasdgfas and mufasa seem scummish
Does this seem logical? -> Give me your thoughts

[hasdgfas]

As is see it, Koriental and reckoner make themselves seem much less suspicious by trying to get me in the game again (again, sorry, should have said something). Dragonfly has made some excellent points, and he voted against bobo.
The way I see it, hasdgfas and mufasa seem scummish
Does this seem logical? -> Give me your thoughts

This seems to be a whole lot of nothing. Do you have examples or any sort of argument to make your case?

[tubby216]

I need to point out that tubby claimed

when he wasn't at L-1

. Time for a lynch.

Vote: Tubby

yes genius i was at l-1 its 4 to lynch that was the hammer, gradulations and good luck withthe rest of the game,

check the vote count last page

[tubby216]

and by the way cow i am of legal age to drink and occasionally i enjoy and nice disarono and coke and sometime i enjoy to many while trying to play mafia lol

[hasdgfas]

and by the way cow i am of legal age to drink and occasionally i enjoy and nice disarono and coke and sometime i enjoy to many while trying to play mafia lol

ok sure, but still, drunk defense? We can't necessarily believe that.

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE COUNT

tubby216 (2) - hasdgfas Dragonfly13
Dragonfly13 (1) - tubby216
Baszie (1) - koriental

NOT voting: Baszie, xRECKONERx, Mufasa,

4 votes will lynch. Deadline is Saturday 6 June (5.18am scumtime)

Crap. I was looking at this vote count and didn't see Mufasa's barely passable vote.

I just wanted to say... considering there's only one mafia left,

a lot of the town members are playing like shit

. Seriously.

[tubby216]

agreed an i am one less shitty townie left good luck and i will see you all after the game or around the boards wich ever happens first

[koriental]

don't like that tubby's gone so soon. reckoner made a mistake right? we shouldn't have lynched so quick right?

love how baszie's on my side...sweet talk will get you nowhere in this game. actually. it gets you everywhere in this game. welcome back baszie. let's see some more posts!

[xRECKONERx]

I made a pretty big mistake, I didn't think he was actually at L-1 because I had missed Mufasa's post. Son of a bitch.

Well, now we wait for the night kill.

[Talitha]

FINAL VOTE COUNT

tubby216 (4) - hasdgfas, Dragonfly13, Mufasa, xRECKONERx
Baszie (1) - koriental

NOT voting: Baszie, tubby216

tubby216, suspected of being mafia, is strung up and dies.

tubby216 was a townie.

It's now night. Please send choice/s within 72 hours.

[Talitha]

Mufasa is dead. Mufasa was a townie.

It is now Day 3.

5 players remain and it will require 3 votes to lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

Umm.

That was stupid of scum to kill the most obvious scum

Vote: Baszie

[Baszie]

Care to explain why you vote me?

[xRECKONERx]

Because you were absent for a long time, then show back up right at the end and still don't vote or put a case forward or anything.

[Baszie]

I was planning on voting, but tubby got lynched a bit earlier than I thought, you giving him the final vote.
I might not have voted last round, but I didn't lynch a townie either. It suprises me that I'm the most suspicious while I'm not choosing mafia's side or voting town.

[Dragonfly13]

Reckoner is confirmed scum. Lynch him. Cow, back me up here. Sorry to kill everyone with my giant wall of text. Maybe take a breather halfway through.

Vote: xRECKONERx

I'm being aggressive because I

need the game to progress...

of course... I'm going V/LA until Thursday for Finals, so...

I bolded the part I find interesting. He needs the game to progress because he's scum. Town need all the time they can get, the more information the better! Freudian slip much?

4-way tie! Vote Count

Ryan Colt (2) - xRECKONERx, Mufasa,
Tubby216 (2) - hasdgfas, Bobo_the_monkey,
koriental (2) - tubby216, Dragonfly13
hasdgfas (2) - Ryan Colt, koriental,
xRECKONERx (1) - Baszie

Not voting: no-one

Keeping an IC around regardless of scumminess because they're an IC?

Vote: Mufasa

Here, Mufasa is voting for Ryan Colt, not cow. Unless I missed something, Mufasa believed at that point that Ryan was the most scummy. I don't think I saw Mufasa say anywhere that he wanted to keep cow around regardless, just that cow would probably be helpful to town, considering there are a majority of townies, the probability for cow to be town is high. (The probability for all of us is, actually, but I'm just trying to make a point.)

Actually, I thought you were rather scummy already...

this seems pretty scummy to me as well.

Connection?

Actually suggests we keep cow around regardless of scumlevel because he's helpful.

Why are you pushing Mufasa so much? I agree he was scummy as hell with his mindless voting behavior, but I have already said that I thought him town because of Bobo's vote on him. Look at what he flipped.

Well seeing as how I hadn't even really considered you very scummy,

This post is in response to cow and his questioning of reckoner's vote on him. Note how Reckoner "hadn't even really CONSIDERED" cow to be scummy, and yet he makes the point against Mufasa about "keeping cow around regardless of scumlevel."

Um... what? If he was town, scum would be hammering

immediately

.

This post is in response to bobo after a pretty powerful argument between the two basically about how scum should play the game. I don't like it. I would also like to note, Reckoner, that you are scum, and you hammered tubby quite

immediately

.

Day 1 observations.

Mufasa: Actually suggests we keep cow around regardless of scumlevel because he's helpful. Then randomly pops back in to switch his vote around to Koriental with no reasoning. It's just a bandwagoning attempt on someone who is, IMO, newbtown.

Notice here that Reckoner says he thinks koriental is newbtown.

I think koreintal is my strongest town read at the moment. Newbtown, but still town none the less. I can see the case on Tubby starting to build. I definitely dislike Dragonfly's pushiness now in retrospect.

And here.

Tubby - did you read my case? It wasn't good at all. In the end I said I don't think that you're mafia, I just wanted you to defend your vote against Dragonfly.

The second person Reckoner announces to be town is Tubby.

I doubt tubby is scum, simply because I've never seen scum get fed up and just say "Yeah, vote me, I don't care". Anytime it happens in a game I've been in, it's always frustrated town.

And here. Please note Reckoner hammered tubby.


And the third....

I honestly don't think the final scum is Mufasa.

Yet, after Night 2, Reckoner comments that it was stupid of mafia to kill the "most obvious scum."

When Bobo the scum is finally lynched, the only people not voting for him are Cow, Bobo himself, Ryan (who we now know was Doc), and koriental. The last person to hammer Bobo were Baszie and Tubby.

In my opinion, this makes Cow look quite scummy. He said he'd vote for Bobo pending a vote count, then never does. In light of these events, I will Vote: Hasdgfas. However, I'm still looking down the barrel at Baszie and Tubby and koriental, though it's much harder to read koriental's play due to his newbie status.

In the first line here, Reckoner makes a big deal of analyzing who did and who didn't vote for Bobo. I would like to personally note that Reckoner was the second vote on bobo, and I feel he thought he was safe voting bobo as #2, but wanted to keep his vote there so he could look town if bobo ended up lynched.

Reckoner then goes on to mention he's suspicious of koriental, along with tubby and baszie. Refer to his previous posts about his thoughts of koriental and tubby to see the mistake he made here.

With one vote to lynch me should I claim?

When mufasa posted this, I got a feeling that he might be a power role. I find it odd that you would think, reckoner, that he was playing scummy, and then note that mafia was "stupid" to kill him off. He could very well have been a power role, I don't understand you very well here. However, I believe analyzing NKs usually leads to WIFOM, so I won't take this any further than I already have.

Ok, guys, at this time I would like to take a closer look at post 193, because even though I already reposted part of it up there, you probably missed something I consider VERY important (I'm sure we all missed it several times, and I'm pretty happy to have caught it). Particularly this line:

When Bobo the scum is finally lynched, the only people not voting for him are Cow, Bobo himself, Ryan (who we now know was Doc), and koriental.

Find anything weird about this sentence? No? This is getting good.

Ryan was cop. NOT doc. Scum try very hard to find the doc. In fact, it's one of their major objectives. Once the doc is found, especially in a newbie game where there aren't any bulletproofs or other similar roles (BPs cannot be NKd by a shot), then mafia can kill the doc and the rest of the NKs will not be wasted.

This line really seals the deal for me when I think of reckoner as scum, because I consider it a Freudian slip by scum who, upon mentioning Ryan's power, accidentally post the role they are most interested in figuring out, doc.

I would also like to note that it is common for the doc to post as little as possible to stay under the radar. I'm not naming any names, but I believe Reckoner is currently voting for that player.

gg

[Baszie]

WOW I'm VERY impressed! I won't just vote reckoner though. I'd love to, but I want to be very sure your wall of text is accurate.

One thing though; you assume there is a doctor, but that means there is also a mafia roleblocker:

Setup:

This game uses the 9-player semi-open F11 setup. One of the following was chosen at random:

• 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies
  
• 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies
  
• 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies
  
• 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies

Killing the doctor shouldn't be their priority, killing the best townie should be their priority, right?

[hasdgfas]

Umm.

That was stupid of scum to kill the most obvious scum

Vote: Baszie

Ok, I really don't like this post.

However, I'm not sure about Dragonfly either. I don't like how he's trying to pander to me to follow him.

[Dragonfly13]

Oh come on cow, you know I'm aggressive. Look at the evidence.

[xRECKONERx]

Reading Dragonfly's case, please allow me a moment to respond.

[xRECKONERx]

Guys, I had something come up. I've got my defense halfway done. I have to go attend to personal matters for the rest of the evening and *probably* will not be back to my computer tonight. Tomorrow I have to work in the morning, if possible I'll try to get a defense up before I go.

If I can't, I will most definitely have something posted by tomorrow evening.

[xRECKONERx]

Reckoner is confirmed scum. Lynch him. Cow, back me up here. Sorry to kill everyone with my giant wall of text. Maybe take a breather halfway through.

Vote: xRECKONERx

Hear that, guys? I'm "confirmed" scum.

I'm being aggressive because I

need the game to progress...

of course... I'm going V/LA until Thursday for Finals, so...

I bolded the part I find interesting. He needs the game to progress because he's scum. Town need all the time they can get, the more information the better! Freudian slip much?

No. Not a Freudian slip. Try... the game was stalling out, I was tired of waiting, so I was being aggressive in hopes it would move the game along. Needing the game to progress =/= needing a lynch. Progress can be as simple as gathering information... like you said. I don't see how this is even a valid point.

4-way tie! Vote Count

Ryan Colt (2) - xRECKONERx, Mufasa,
Tubby216 (2) - hasdgfas, Bobo_the_monkey,
koriental (2) - tubby216, Dragonfly13
hasdgfas (2) - Ryan Colt, koriental,
xRECKONERx (1) - Baszie

Not voting: no-one

Keeping an IC around regardless of scumminess because they're an IC?

Vote: Mufasa

Here, Mufasa is voting for Ryan Colt, not cow. Unless I missed something, Mufasa believed at that point that Ryan was the most scummy. I don't think I saw Mufasa say anywhere that he wanted to keep cow around regardless, just that cow would probably be helpful to town, considering there are a majority of townies, the probability for cow to be town is high. (The probability for all of us is, actually, but I'm just trying to make a point.)

Yeah, I guess you did miss something.

Hmm I really thing we need Cow to stay around she is very helpful around here especially to those who are new to the game. Lots of new people need her to stay here.

WTF. How do you blatantly skip this?

Actually, I thought you were rather scummy already...

this seems pretty scummy to me as well.

Connection?

No. It's called Bobo jumping in behind me trying to wagon with someone.

Actually suggests we keep cow around regardless of scumlevel because he's helpful.

Why are you pushing Mufasa so much? I agree he was scummy as hell with his mindless voting behavior, but I have already said that I thought him town because of Bobo's vote on him. Look at what he flipped.

I'm not "pushing" Mufasa so much. He was acting the most scummy, but like I said, I don't see scum bussing so hard on Day 1.

Well seeing as how I hadn't even really considered you very scummy,

This post is in response to cow and his questioning of reckoner's vote on him. Note how Reckoner "hadn't even really CONSIDERED" cow to be scummy, and yet he makes the point against Mufasa about "keeping cow around regardless of scumlevel."

Um. This is another poor point. I didn't consider cow to be scummy really before that post... but the idea of keeping someone around regardless of how they act because of their helpfulness is what I was responding to. Please see the post from Mufasa I quoted that you somehow missed completely.

Um... what? If he was town, scum would be hammering

immediately

.

This post is in response to bobo after a pretty powerful argument between the two basically about how scum should play the game. I don't like it. I would also like to note, Reckoner, that you are scum, and you hammered tubby quite

immediately

.

I didn't mean to hammer tubby. I was looking at the old vote count and didn't notice he was at L-1. And why would Bobo and I be arguing about how scum play if we're both scum? How does that prove anything?

Day 1 observations.

Mufasa: Actually suggests we keep cow around regardless of scumlevel because he's helpful. Then randomly pops back in to switch his vote around to Koriental with no reasoning. It's just a bandwagoning attempt on someone who is, IMO, newbtown.

Notice here that Reckoner says he thinks koriental is newbtown.

I think koreintal is my strongest town read at the moment. Newbtown, but still town none the less. I can see the case on Tubby starting to build. I definitely dislike Dragonfly's pushiness now in retrospect.

And here.

Tubby - did you read my case? It wasn't good at all. In the end I said I don't think that you're mafia, I just wanted you to defend your vote against Dragonfly.

The second person Reckoner announces to be town is Tubby.

I doubt tubby is scum, simply because I've never seen scum get fed up and just say "Yeah, vote me, I don't care". Anytime it happens in a game I've been in, it's always frustrated town.

And here. Please note Reckoner hammered tubby.

Koriental was acting very newbtown... like very unfamiliar with the game, etc, which is why I called that one. And usually when I see give ups, they turn out to be frustrated town, as I don't see scum giving up that much. Tubby's claim at L-1... which I thought wasn't at L-1... seemed pre-emptive and potentially scum-like to jump to a claim that fast. Once again, it was my mistake, I did NOT realize that he was at L-1.

And the third....

I honestly don't think the final scum is Mufasa.

Yet, after Night 2, Reckoner comments that it was stupid of mafia to kill the "most obvious scum."

I meant most obvious person they could cast suspicion on. Just look at Mufasa's D1 play. It was all over the fucking place. Easily a target for scum redirection... I just thought Mufasa was the least townie player and thus smart scum would have kept him alive.

When Bobo the scum is finally lynched, the only people not voting for him are Cow, Bobo himself, Ryan (who we now know was Doc), and koriental. The last person to hammer Bobo were Baszie and Tubby.

In my opinion, this makes Cow look quite scummy. He said he'd vote for Bobo pending a vote count, then never does. In light of these events, I will Vote: Hasdgfas. However, I'm still looking down the barrel at Baszie and Tubby and koriental, though it's much harder to read koriental's play due to his newbie status.

In the first line here, Reckoner makes a big deal of analyzing who did and who didn't vote for Bobo. I would like to personally note that Reckoner was the second vote on bobo, and I feel he thought he was safe voting bobo as #2, but wanted to keep his vote there so he could look town if bobo ended up lynched.

[/quote]

Um, yeah? Because it'd be stupid of scum to bus on DAY ONE... which is why I analyzed it. Your wild claim that I kept my vote on Bobo (when I was only the second person!) just because I knew he'd be lynched is ridiculous. The town was quite on the way to heading for a Mufasa lynch when everything switched gears.

Reckoner then goes on to mention he's suspicious of koriental, along with tubby and baszie. Refer to his previous posts about his thoughts of koriental and tubby to see the mistake he made here.

So can people's opinions not change over time? I decided to approach the scumhunting from a new angle, the "who didn't vote for the scum D1" angle, which shed new light on them. I realized while I had attributed newbtown to Koriental, why couldn't that also be newbscum, as they are rather difficult to discern.

With one vote to lynch me should I claim?

When mufasa posted this, I got a feeling that he might be a power role. I find it odd that you would think, reckoner, that he was playing scummy, and then note that mafia was "stupid" to kill him off. He could very well have been a power role, I don't understand you very well here. However, I believe analyzing NKs usually leads to WIFOM, so I won't take this any further than I already have.

When he posted this and then claimed vanilla townie, and ONCE AGAIN: I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS ACTUALLY L-1... it made me raise an eyebrow, because it seemed as if he was reaching out for town help. I definitely did NOT get a PR read.

Ok, guys, at this time I would like to take a closer look at post 193, because even though I already reposted part of it up there, you probably missed something I consider VERY important (I'm sure we all missed it several times, and I'm pretty happy to have caught it). Particularly this line:

When Bobo the scum is finally lynched, the only people not voting for him are Cow, Bobo himself, Ryan (who we now know was Doc), and koriental.

Find anything weird about this sentence? No? This is getting good.

Ryan was cop. NOT doc. Scum try very hard to find the doc. In fact, it's one of their major objectives. Once the doc is found, especially in a newbie game where there aren't any bulletproofs or other similar roles (BPs cannot be NKd by a shot), then mafia can kill the doc and the rest of the NKs will not be wasted.

This line really seals the deal for me when I think of reckoner as scum, because I consider it a Freudian slip by scum who, upon mentioning Ryan's power, accidentally post the role they are most interested in figuring out, doc.

I would also like to note that it is common for the doc to post as little as possible to stay under the radar. I'm not naming any names, but I believe Reckoner is currently voting for that player.

[/quote]

What? So because I typo'd and thought Ryan was Doc instead of Cop, that's a big deal? You're literally trying to say that all these things were "Freudian slips"... that I was searching for Doc instead of Cop, or some bullshit like that? Can you take a step back and read just how flimsy your argument really is? You're actually purporting that I'm scum because scum are more interested in Doc. WTF!? That's a baseless opinionated claim that can't be substantiated in any way, shape, or form.

[xRECKONERx]

Also, I fucking hate the quote-battle scumhunts. Blegh. Much prefer paragraphs. Well thought out paragraphs with LINKS to the posts in reference. Meh.