Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[ZazieR]

Hmmm, kind of strange Gorrad... For some reason I was under the impression that Shinigami couldn't use their death notes to kill. Isn't that why they give them away, so that humans can use them?

@All:

Is there any precedence in the series for Shingami being able to use the death notes they possess themselves?

Shinigami are supposed to have one. That''s why both Rem and Ryuk could give a Death Note away. As both of them had two in their possession.
However, the third Shinigami (Shidoh) came to the human world to retrieve his Death Note.

Also, both Rem and Ryuk have used their Death Note in the serie to kill a human.

Votecount
mykonian - 7 (LlamaFluff, cateraction, Spolium, ortolan, Kise, populartajo, MrBuddyLee)
ZEEnon - 5 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, Stephoscope, Lamont_Cranston, Starbuck)
Lamont_Cranston - 4 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu, Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad)
Gorrad - 1 (Kmd4390)
zwetschenwasser - 1 (Benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (ZazieR)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)
Starbuck - 1 (mykonian)
Not voting: Jebus, semioldguy, Seraphim, ZEEnon

These guys are fighting for real. Humans are hilarious...

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ewwww....

[ZazieR]

Zaz.... can these questions seriously not wait until someone enters L-1 at least? Then you can unload your questions to be answered during D2. The reason I say wait until L-1 is because there's no telling if you'll be around past the night phase.

(I dare someone to ask me if I'm hinting about having a killing role....)

You know the game is dragging like a dog with an itchy butt whenever the mod doesn't even bother to include a quote with the vote count. (-_-)

UnFos: Seraphim

. He hasn't been on the site since he last came here.

Also, now that I've found out Mastin was maf in 145, I'm wondering why ZEE wouldn't think he was pro-Kira in this game. Out of the 3 big wagons, I'm comfortable with lynching ZEE and/or Myk.

Is there anyone here who has supported ZEE? What makes you think he's pro-town?

No, my questions can''t wait. If they could, I wouldn''t be asking them now.
And the mod didn''t forget to include a quote. It''s just the same quote (see pages 56 and 57) >.<
Seraphim has been online. He just hasn''t posted.

[ZazieR]

Mod: V/LA (see my sig)

Long story short, my computer is fried (fuckshitpiss), posting from my brother's computer. This means I've got no access to any files on my comp, including the text file with all my notes for this game (through page 51).

So pretty depressed right now...

So you do have notes? Then why didn''t you post them after this post:

Been busy - sorry for flaking to start off with, currently on 40/44 - you guys post too fast >.<

POST OPINIONS ON THE FIRST 40

[ZazieR]

Dude, is the part of your post that Zazie bolded a scumtell against Zwet or not? Explain why. That's all she is asking.

There you go Benmage.

[ZazieR]

In addition to that, if he was killed by a death note, the implications don't make a bit of sense. The rules post specifically states that as soon as a death note enters the possesion of someone pro-town it wil be destroyed. Therefore, if Mastin was killed by a death note, he was killed by either scum or a Shinigami. Why would an anti-town role kill Mastin when so many people were beginning to suspect him? Seems much more like a foolish policy-vig to me.

Or perhaps because of this:

In this game, it is possible to obtain a Death Note in several ways. If a player possessing a Death Note is lynched, a random member of the lynch mob receives the Death Note. If a player possessing a Death Note is killed, the killer (if there are multiple killers, one is chosen at random) receives the Death Note.

I go to the trouble of agreeing with Mastin, and provide my views that he is town, even though he is quite the easy mislynch. I even know that I'll take flak for supporting the top lynch suspect, but I press forward anyway with the intention of making an ally of the most probable lynch of D1.

In other words, it can be used as an excellent bussing method if a buddy says that Mastin is scum, not? Also, scum probably know if there''s one scumteam or two, so if there''s one, you would receive less flak if Mastin flips before you get lynched as most players would look at the wagon, instead of those protecting him.

@Zazie: I've already mentioned why I thought Mastin was obvtown.

I know you did. But later (don''t know if it was in one of those posts) I asked what the difference was what Mastin did here at the start of this game, and what I did in Open 145. So can you please answer that?

[ZazieR]

Ok then I seriously want to know how Kai could of missed this. What do you think about my questions concerning specifying kill methods for notes?

Missed what? How does Light finding a death note in the beginning of the series mean that Mastin was killed by scum? Or a death note even? And how does my not thinking that Mastin was killed by a death note imply that I missed anything?

@Lamont

You''ve got nothing to say about this?

[ZazieR]

@Spoilum:

I look back on Kairyuu's #477 with concern, principally because he didn't consider the possibility of a specified cause of death (for the uninitiated, this is a heavily-used plot device in Death Note). I cannot fathom why a townie familiar with the Death Note story would dismiss that hypothesis and can only presume there is an ulterior motive.

In addition to that, if he was killed by a death note, the implications don't make a bit of sense. The rules post specifically states that as soon as a death note enters the possesion of someone pro-town it wil be destroyed. Therefore, if Mastin was killed by a death note, he was killed by either scum or a Shinigami. Why would an anti-town role kill Mastin when so many people were beginning to suspect him? Seems much more like a foolish policy-vig to me.

QFT. Mastin was a leading wagon at the time he was killed. I was correct in moving my vote from Kai before his answer

(lucky me).

Btw, nice catchup post.

Explain the bolded.

[ZazieR]

I would just like to mention that I find the people in ZEEnon's wagon to seem more trustworthy than the people in mykonian's wagon.

I'm not at all sticking up for mykonian, as I kind of see the case against him too. I'm just saying...take a look and see if you agree.

Can you explain in detail why you see Myko and ZEE as scummy?

[ZazieR]

@Zazie:

Who is the female depicted in your post at the top of the last page?

Dokuro-chan~

[ZazieR]

Kairyuu, while I do fully believe Mastin was killed by a townie, it is illogical to rule out a Shinigami's kill.

Consider: Shinigami are NOT anti-town, they're third-party with a unique win condition for each. Who is to say that one of those win conditions is not furthered by killing scum? Also, the Death Note allows people to specify kill's MO. I think writing 'Mastin plugged full of holes' would be easy enough.

Wait. Shinigami kill? Why do you only mention Shinigami kill and not scum kill?
Also, Misa Misa *shrug* was important to Rem, and Ryuk wanted to see what a human would do with a Death Note, so to me, it seems very unlikely that Rem or Ryuk wants to kill scum.
Which would only leave Shidoh.
So it seems very unlikely that such wincon exists.

[PhilyEc]

Okay Zazie, stop it. Thats way too much coming outta your mouth, you've nearly made an entire page of posts from yourself. Take a break yeah, just get reads on a few posts and put those reads and questions all into one entire post ¬_¬

[PhilyEc]

Mod: I demand you replace Jebus. I was completely right about him flaking, hes not going to contribute to this game at all and we all know it.

You

demand

that I replace Jebus? On what authority do you demand anything of me? I am the moderator of this game. Your options are to accept my judgment, make a request, or leave. We will proceed as though you had requested that I replace Jebus.

A player will be replaced if that player has not posted in three days. No prods are included in my ruleset, just replacement. However, because the game was young and of the players who hadn't posted for three days (I believe there were three), several had expressed great interest in the game and difficulties with finding the time to post, I prodded them and told them if they didn't post in 24-48 hours, they would be history. Jebus was among these players. It was his one warning, and that's one more than my ruleset requires me to give. If he goes three days without posting and I log in and see before he posts, Jebus will be replaced. This goes for all players.

That said, Jebus has been posting every 1-3 days since then. Every post is a contribution to this game. Whether it's useful or filled with relevant content is another matter, but it's not basis for a replacement. It's my responsibility to make sure that there are players in the game who post. The content of their posts, or lack thereof, is left to the town.

[ZazieR]

I''ve already explained why I do it. Try to stop me and meet your future , just like that girl:

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok then I seriously want to know how Kai could of missed this. What do you think about my questions concerning specifying kill methods for notes?

Missed what? How does Light finding a death note in the beginning of the series mean that Mastin was killed by scum? Or a death note even? And how does my not thinking that Mastin was killed by a death note imply that I missed anything?

@Lamont

You''ve got nothing to say about this?

I'm sorry I was very tired last night and I find myself stunned at my lack of logic concerning Kai's statement.

The "lucky me" means that I moved my vote while still suspecting him.

Right now I just woke up so I have nothing to say at the moment. I will have to review this whole thing when I can think straight.

[Lamont_Cranston]

In addition to that, if he was killed by a death note, the implications don't make a bit of sense. The rules post specifically states that as soon as a death note enters the possesion of someone pro-town it wil be destroyed. Therefore, if Mastin was killed by a death note, he was killed by either scum or a Shinigami. Why would an anti-town role kill Mastin when so many people were beginning to suspect him? Seems much more like a foolish policy-vig to me.

Or perhaps because of this:

In this game, it is possible to obtain a Death Note in several ways. If a player possessing a Death Note is lynched, a random member of the lynch mob receives the Death Note. If a player possessing a Death Note is killed, the killer (if there are multiple killers, one is chosen at random) receives the Death Note.

*FACEPALM ME *

Ok then I seriously want to know how Kai could of missed this. What do you think about my questions concerning specifying kill methods for notes?

Missed what? How does Light finding a death note in the beginning of the series mean that Mastin was killed by scum? Or a death note even? And how does my not thinking that Mastin was killed by a death note imply that I missed anything?

@Lamont

You''ve got nothing to say about this?

Because the vig-by-death-note method still applies regardless of whether Mastin was a leading wagon or not (because they would kill him to get the death note), the fact that Kai missed how a central role of death notes is to specify a certain kill method also still applies.

In other words, his answer/defense has not adequately addressed the question.

I will have to let him continue to answer...

[Benmage]

Let’s break this down really simply so there is no more reason to drag this out.

Vote: Zwet

No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.

Vote zwet

^^My opening vote agreeing with the premise of what ABR has said.

@Benmage
You didn't believe Zwet's claim, and you voted Zwet after ABR posted this which you even quoted in your post in which you vote Zwet:

Vote: Zwet

No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.

Yet, Zwet has now given some answers regarding his claim, and it has been pointed out that the claim fits the flavour.

So what do you think of his claim now?

And can you explain why ABR's post resulted in your vote? (if it didn't, what did?)

I still disbelieve the claim

, because I don’t see the logic behind making the initial claim. It was unnecessary imo. Although I don’t share the same animosity against zwet that ABR does, zwet isn’t exactly the best player in my book(and I know I can’t say much with my minimal input into this game, but this is how I feel)

So yeah, those two reasons are why I voted.

See your first question made larger. Answered first by me. Despite it checking out flavor wise…I found illogical as stated.

@Zazi what do you think was the whole point of this post if not to illustrate zwets scummy/anti-townness…why have you forced me to s.p.e.l.l. i.t. o.u.t. f.o.r. y.o.u. l.i.k.e. a. c.h.i.l.d.?

@Benmage
You didn't believe Zwet's claim, and you voted Zwet after ABR posted this which you even quoted in your post in which you vote Zwet:

Vote: Zwet

No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.

Yet, Zwet has now given some answers regarding his claim, and it has been pointed out that the claim fits the flavour.
So what do you think of his claim now?
And can you explain why ABR's post resulted in your vote? (if it didn't, what did?)

I still disbelieve the claim, because I don’t see the logic behind making the initial claim. It was unnecessary imo.

Although I don’t share the same animosity against zwet that ABR does, zwet isn’t exactly the best player in my book(and I know I can’t say much with my minimal input into this game, but this is how I feel)

So yeah, those two reasons are why I voted.

Does the bolded make him more likely to be scum? If so, why?

So here is where you add the bolded question… my misread made me think you thought I was scummy and asked this question to the general masses… I guess I just couldn’t and still don’t understand the reason for this question. Just seems like a waste to ask. OF COURSE that makes him more likely to be scummy, why else did I write that post?? “WHY” you ask…its right please read it… “I. d.o.n.t. s.e.e. t.h.e. l.o.g.i.c. b.e.h.i.n.d. m.a.k.i.n.g. t.h.e. i.n.i.t.i.a.l. c.l.a.i.m.”

@Conclusion this question is a waste if you read things in context and thought about where I could possibly be coming from.

Concl part two:

Dude, is the part of your post that Zazie bolded a scumtell against Zwet or not? Explain why. That's all she is asking.

There you go Benmage.

These posts are a waste and add to the fluff, I see it I’ll answer as soon as I can, give me time to rest. You did the same thing yesterday asking why I hadn’t responded to a question while I was sleeping…give some people T.I.M.E.

Here is an older post that answers it, but not in this ridiculous broken down format.

He highlights my statements and asks if it was the highlighted(bolded) parts that made him seem scummy. Which is true...my only point was that

I had those initial sentiments

about zwet, but simply didn't illustrate them until later

(the highlighted parts)

Let me rephrase it all one last time. If you are asking me to try and compel everyone else why Zwet is scummy the answer is Yes the bolded part makes him more scummy. If you want to know why, read the bolded part. “I.l.l.o.g.i.c.a.l. a.n.d. u.n.n.e.c.e.s.s.a.r.y.”

If you were simply wondering if that made me view zwet as “M.O.R.E.” scummy the answer is no because I already had these feelings but simply voiced them here because of your initial question questioning my vote and his claim.

Sooooo....why did we have to do this anyways? Biggest minor dragged out for the longest i've ever seen.

[Benmage]

Now if I can just never talk to zaz again I can maybe play this game…I found this tidbit drastically interesting yet everyone seemed to over look it. Is noone troubled that Kise is claiming a vig-like or killer of some-type for no real apparent reason??

Zaz.... can these questions seriously not wait until someone enters L-1 at least? Then you can unload your questions to be answered during D2. The reason I say wait until L-1 is because there's no telling if you'll be around past the night phase.

(I dare someone to ask me if I'm hinting about having a killing role....)

You know the game is dragging like a dog with an itchy butt whenever the mod doesn't even bother to include a quote with the vote count. (-_-)

UnFos: Seraphim

. He hasn't been on the site since he last came here.

Also, now that I've found out Mastin was maf in 145, I'm wondering why ZEE wouldn't think he was pro-Kira in this game. Out of the 3 big wagons, I'm comfortable with lynching ZEE and/or Myk.

Is there anyone here who has supported ZEE? What makes you think he's pro-town?

[ZazieR]

Now if I can just never talk to zaz again I can maybe play this game…I found this tidbit drastically interesting yet everyone seemed to over look it. Is noone troubled that Kise is claiming a vig-like or killer of some-type for no real apparent reason??

Zaz.... can these questions seriously not wait until someone enters L-1 at least? Then you can unload your questions to be answered during D2. The reason I say wait until L-1 is because there's no telling if you'll be around past the night phase.

(I dare someone to ask me if I'm hinting about having a killing role....)

You know the game is dragging like a dog with an itchy butt whenever the mod doesn't even bother to include a quote with the vote count. (-_-)

UnFos: Seraphim

. He hasn't been on the site since he last came here.

Also, now that I've found out Mastin was maf in 145, I'm wondering why ZEE wouldn't think he was pro-Kira in this game. Out of the 3 big wagons, I'm comfortable with lynching ZEE and/or Myk.

Is there anyone here who has supported ZEE? What makes you think he's pro-town?

He's not. Ongoing game reference. But it's nice to know that you pointed out something you saw as soft-claim.
And that request won't happen.

[Benmage]

Unvote Vote Zazier

His spamming posts of fluff is such a waste and a distraction. He's essentially mass defending all scum simply by distracting every other player.

[ZazieR]

Unvote Vote Zazier

Her spamming posts of fluff is such a waste and a distraction. She's essentially mass defending all scum simply by distracting every other player.

Fixed it for you.
Also, when will you learn that policy lynches don't help? Those are a distraction to the town.
If you think questioning other players and making cases are distracting, than yes, I'm distracting. Otherwise, I'm not.

[ZazieR]

If you want to know why I asked, Benmage, it is to show you that that reason for voting him does not make sense. You say it's illogical and unnecessary. However, why would Zwet-scum claim then?
It was also pointed out by others that he did this as well in Medieval, in which he was town. So why does this claim still make him look scummy?
And there's one other game in which you even participated with him.

With your vote against me added, you have voted three times for a policy lynch. And those were your only votes throughout this whole game.
Also, you're not somebody who may accuse another of fluff.

[populartajo]

Unvote Vote Zazier

His spamming posts of fluff is such a waste and a distraction. He's essentially mass defending all scum simply by distracting every other player.

Terrible.

Unvote Vote : Benmage.

[populartajo]

And to further explain my vote I may agree or disagree with some of her views of the game, but she is so obv town it hurts.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote Vote Zazier

His spamming posts of fluff is such a waste and a distraction. He's essentially mass defending all scum simply by distracting every other player.

Benmage I heartily have to disagree here. I support what Zaze is doing. I cannot support a Zaze vote here.

I want to commend you for sticking with it to the end and making everything clear regarding your view on Zwet.