Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well you resolved it which is a great thing. I think you can hold your head high and have a sense of accomplishment.

Votecount
mykonian - 6 (LlamaFluff, cateraction, Spolium, ortolan, Kise, MrBuddyLee)
ZEEnon - 5 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, Stephoscope, Lamont_Cranston, Starbuck)
Lamont_Cranston - 3 (Kairyuu, Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad)
Benmage - 2 (populartajo, magnus_orion)
Gorrad - 1 (Kmd4390)
magnus_orion - 1 (ZazieR)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)z
Starbuck - 1 (mykonian)
Zazier - 1 (Benmage)
Not voting: Jebus, semioldguy, Seraphim, ZEEnon

This is just a simple tennis match. It's not enough to determine if he might be Kira... but Kira hates to lose.

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

I like seeing her posts. I READ them. I think about them (maybe just briefly) and I move on. But I don't complain about them because they are helpful to the town. I'm trying to figure out why you can't see that...

Because i had to go through the most frustrating misunderstanding ever over a non-issue and i never wish it upon anyone.

WTF?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I think Zwet is sensing that this discussion

does

involve him here somewhere...

[WeyounsLastClone]

Sorry I haven't posted much, had a wedding yesterday for which I had to prepare a lot for, and have another wedding tomorrow. I hope to have more input this weekend.

In the mean time, I hope to hear from ZEEnon in the mean time.

[Kise]

I honestly thought you ignored addressing this whenever I brought it to your attention, so this is why I am still voting for you. Do you care to comment on the situation with Magnus now?

as I already pointed out, I agreed with the part where he explained the rules, not where he opposes me.

Can you link me to where you previously pointed this out? It'll be much easier if you only display

your

posts.

Also, my hand is still on you, Ben. Unlike zwet, I do understand what you mean in Post 1474, but your stance on Zazie is just.. wrong

[PhilyEc]

Gorrad - 1 (Kmd4390)
magnus_orion - 1 (ZazieR)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)z
Starbuck - 1 (mykonian)
Zazier - 1 (Benmage)

^Re-vote.

[Lamont_Cranston]

^^^ nice post

[zwetschenwasser]

So... you believe Ben made a simple mistake?

[PhilyEc]

So... you believe Ben made a simple mistake?

Wheter he did or didnt, hes not on the top of my hitlist at the moment. Town need to concentrate on the three wagons presented and make a decision now. ZEE is definately scum. Ben cooooould be scum. Lets go with the safer option yeah.

Myk and Lamont are possibles, though I personally doubt the later is scum, rather, enthusiatic town. I've never seen him play before but his behaviour seems quite genuinely good intentioned.

[mykonian]

sorry people, having some computer problems. Now I'm going home again, things will get better for the weekend, but next week expect low activity. After that, things probably get better.

[Gelus]

Albert B. Rampage has requested replacement and has been replaced by Skruffs.

[Benmage]

So... you believe Ben made a simple mistake?

Impossible... . what mistake? voting you/zazi?

[Kairyuu]

I'm not gonna be able to get to this game until probably tomorrow night to get more of my catching up done.

Apologies.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Not voting: Jebus, semioldguy, Seraphim

Mod please prod Seraph

[Stephoscope]

I would just like to mention that I find the people in ZEEnon's wagon to seem more trustworthy than the people in mykonian's wagon.

I'm not at all sticking up for mykonian, as I kind of see the case against him too. I'm just saying...take a look and see if you agree.

Can you explain in detail why you see Myko and ZEE as scummy?

Well, with mykonian, let me be clear: I am not at all convinced he's scum. But comments from others about how he seemed like he was coasting through the game, and providing information not analysis, were not without merit.

But as for ZEEnon, he had that "What. The Hell." post, he hasn't followed through on at least two promises to post, and he's seemed overly defensive in his responses to you. And, as I said before, I have townreads on several others on the ZEEnon wagon.

[LlamaFluff]

First off, Zee is town, seriously. There is more to this read then my normal town reads (which when this strong are almost always dead on).

Steph - Zee has flaked (no post in a week+), you are using that to call him a lurker and make him out as scum. Also having a town read on a few people on the zee wagon doesnt make zee scum, unless you are insinuating that exactly half the game is scum, and they are all trying to save him. I have town reads on a few people myk has voted with, am neutral on a few on the myk wagon, but I still think he is scum. Overdefensive is a crap tell too. So your entire case right there just went poof.

@mod

- Prod Zee, Spoil and I think cater.

[PhilyEc]

I would just like to mention that I find the people in ZEEnon's wagon to seem more trustworthy than the people in mykonian's wagon.

I'm not at all sticking up for mykonian, as I kind of see the case against him too. I'm just saying...take a look and see if you agree.

Can you explain in detail why you see Myko and ZEE as scummy?

Well, with mykonian, let me be clear: I am not at all convinced he's scum. But comments from others about how he seemed like he was coasting through the game, and providing information not analysis, were not without merit.

But as for ZEEnon, he had that "What. The Hell." post, he hasn't followed through on at least two promises to post, and he's seemed overly defensive in his responses to you. And, as I said before, I have townreads on several others on the ZEEnon wagon.

Zee has been lurking is out heavily aswell.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Llama:

You still haven't acknowledged how Zee said he was

certain

that Mastin was Shinigami and how nobody should vote for him.

over-defensive

IS a scum tell when its not called for.

I already prodded Zee but thanks I'm not sure if the Mod saw it.

[Benmage]

Zee has been lurking is out heavily aswell.

Is he posting in other games or something?

[LlamaFluff]

@Llama:

You still haven't acknowledged how Zee said he was

certain

that Mastin was Shinigami and how nobody should vote for him.

Where? I still dont see it

over-defensive

IS a scum tell when its not called for.

No its not, its possibly the worst scum tell that people actually try to use.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Also @ Llama:

I've been asking for a hard-data analysis of why Myk is scum (that leaves out his erratic behavioral-logic dynamic -- that has been proven a null tell) for the last 4 days.

Since you are such an avid supporter of his wagon why don't you provide it? I would be more than willing to accept it based on its merits.

Until I see it I have read his behavior as a null tell based on the objective evidence already provided.

[Lamont_Cranston]

over-defensive

IS a scum tell when its not called for.

No its not, its possibly the worst scum tell that people actually try to use.

Sorry but this is disproven in real life with actual spies who out themselves unnecessarily due to paranoia. It is just human psychology. Remember the operative phrase here is

uncalled for

.

[Charnel]

Can you link me to where you previously pointed this out? It'll be much easier if you only display

your

posts.

com*uter I now use is a bit cra* so I won't quote, if you don't mind. *age loading is a bit slow, and then searching this gets a bit annoying.

I know however, that my first reaction on when you (or who did it) first mentioned this gave my ex*lanation, I did it again when you brought it u* again, when I was annoyed, and said you strawmanned me. (I just didn't think you wouldn't have read it).

so now this accusation, that would make me an illogical *layers comes u* again. I only reacted on the *art where he ex*lained the rules.

and no, this is not a *ost restriction. the keyboard I'm using now just is bad.

[mykonian]

aaaaaaarg!!!!

this is not my day.

I'm leaving now, it won't get better.

[LlamaFluff]

over-defensive

IS a scum tell when its not called for.

No its not, its possibly the worst scum tell that people actually try to use.

Sorry but this is disproven in real life with actual spies who out themselves unnecessarily due to paranoia. It is just human psychology. Remember the operative phrase here is

uncalled for

.

Its still the worst scum tell given that its all subjective. I can say Steph in 1489 is overdefensive for not just saying "Myk is scummy for X", he used additional and unneccisarry wording in an attempt to make his case look better, obv scum.

You can make ANY defense out as overdefensive. Its a crap tell, anyone using it in a case has made the case weaker in my eyes because they feel they need to bolster it with a subjective idea. Using it as an attack is a scum tell in itself.

I will put up bullet points on myk when I get back from the office, but go read my posts for quite a bit on him.