Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Llama:

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.

If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.

If ZEE never explains what he meant, I want to hear it from you what you think he meant. As I''m reading here and from the responses he has given that he believed Mastin''s claim.

Votecount
mykonian - 6 (LlamaFluff, cateraction, Spolium, ortolan, Kise, MrBuddyLee)
ZEEnon - 5 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, Stephoscope, Lamont_Cranston, Starbuck)
Lamont_Cranston - 3 (Kairyuu, Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad)
Benmage - 2 (populartajo, magnus_orion)
Gorrad - 1 (Kmd4390)
magnus_orion - 1 (ZazieR)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)z
Starbuck - 1 (mykonian)
Zazier - 1 (Benmage)
Not voting: Jebus, semioldguy, Seraphim, ZEEnon

He who moves first always wins.

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[LlamaFluff]

@Llama:

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.

If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.

If ZEE never explains what he meant, I want to hear it from you what you think he meant. As I''m reading here and from the responses he has given that he believed Mastin''s claim.

I already said this... but I will say it again I guess just in a different way

[zee voice]Let me clarify what happened MO; Mastin claimed Shin, which by the rules is unlynchable and unNKable[/zee voice]

There is NO acceptance/disbelief from him. If anything that is where the scumtell is, not taking a stance. Zee never believed it.

[mykonian]

Llama, *lease take a look at the stances zee has taken in this game

only that magnus ho**ed around with his vote in the start, something that is really not a scumtell.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Llama:

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.

If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.

If ZEE never explains what he meant, I want to hear it from you what you think he meant. As I''m reading here and from the responses he has given that he believed Mastin''s claim.

I already said this... but I will say it again I guess just in a different way

[zee voice]Let me clarify what happened MO; Mastin claimed Shin, which by the rules is unlynchable and unNKable[/zee voice]

There is NO acceptance/disbelief from him. If anything that is where the scumtell is, not taking a stance. Zee never believed it.

This is being taken out of context. The context in which he made this statement is in reference to a vote by Magnus. He made the statement to persuade Magnus not to vote Mastin. I will provide the quote.

[PhilyEc]

Lhama and Zee are buddies.

Can we lynch ZEEnon yet?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mastin should be vig-killed

if possible due to wifom.
Since that is my position, voting him is pointless.

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.

They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

Yes. But he claims to have a death note. As per the rules, we must gain and destroy all death notes, and vigging him forces shinigami to drop death note as per the rules.

Followed by

no response

. Here you can clearly see a townie perspective in Magnus vs. the anti-town perspective with Zee.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Llama:

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.

If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.

If ZEE never explains what he meant, I want to hear it from you what you think he meant. As I''m reading here and from the responses he has given that he believed Mastin''s claim.

He clearly believes it here otherwise why would he try to discourage a vig-kill of Mastin?

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Llama:

Btw, on Zee, you never spoke to this:

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.

If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.

ORLY? And what of his statement "I see what you're doing and I trust your judgement even though I disagree with it"? Doesn't this mean he sees that Mastin is Shinigami? Seems pretty clear to me.

[Lamont_Cranston]

This is the over-defensive post to add to the list (for discussion):

Below is the referenced "over-defensive-much" post by Zee:

Lamont, Zeenon, Benmage. You three exhibited these behaviours aye?

I was working on a post right before the kill happened.
You see evidence of that since I posted the next two posted extremely quickly.
Just because people were posting when it happened doesn't mean they are the ones that caused the death.
If your theory about death notes are correct, the player can probably choose the time it occurs.
Do you really think the death note user would post when their kill was supposed to occur? I think not.
I think that the chances are greater that it was a vigilante kill.
You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge.

It clearly appears here that Zee took the bait.

[LlamaFluff]

I still have reason to be really really sure Zee is town. Overdefensive is still a bad tell that you should lynch people using it instead of people who are who are "overdefensive". Zee is harmless, myk is the one who will kill us all.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ah, I see why you did that now.
Not sure if it will achieve anything, but i'll trust your judgement.

I state here that I realize why Mastin did what he did.
Not that I necessarily agree that is actually

works

.

EBWOP:

The difference in this game is that he actually claimed to be a Shinigami,
and to me it seemed serious

ly

. Which is why I questioned him.

And yet again he discouraged the vig-kill...

I knew he was town too, we were much too similar.

And then there is this gem of a 180.

His attitude and play towards Mastin is so conflicted, it really is very suspicious. It looks like he:

1) Wants to keep the town from destroying the note
2) Pretends like Mastin wasn't being scummy based on previous games as a bogus excuse
3) Then pretends he knew Mastin was town all along to cover why he discouraged killing him when he finally realized Mastin was town.

Too many things are wrong here with Zee when you stack everything up.

[Lamont_Cranston]

myk is the one who will kill us all.

Case please.

[zwetschenwasser]

So... you believe Ben made a simple mistake?

Impossible... . what mistake? voting you/zazi?

Confirm vote: Benmage

Also, smiling at ABR's replacement jackassery, which he's done about four times by now.

[ZEEnon]

________________________________________________________________________

I finished my last exam today! I'll reply to things tonight when I get back. I promise!
One thing that bugs me is that people are interpreting what I do the wrong way.
I

never

said that Mastin was a shinigami, nor did I think so.
I said that he

claimed

to be a shinigami, but it was quite obvious he was bluffing.
I'm going to look back to see who said that tonight. Glad that misconception is out of the way.

________________________________________________________________________

[zwetschenwasser]

Hi zeenon!

[Lamont_Cranston]

________________________________________________________________________

I finished my last exam today! I'll reply to things tonight when I get back. I promise!
One thing that bugs me is that people are interpreting what I do the wrong way.

I

never

said that Mastin was a shinigami, nor did I think so.
I said that he

claimed

to be a shinigami, but it was quite obvious he was bluffing.

I'm going to look back to see who said that tonight. Glad that misconception is out of the way.

________________________________________________________________________

I'm glad you're back. If you did not think he was Shinigami then why did you discourage the call for a vig vote

by stating he was Shinigami

?

[zwetschenwasser]

You can't blame him. Mastin was as scummy as hell.

[ZEEnon]

Lamont_Cranston, please show me where I said for a vigilante to

not

shoot him.

[ZEEnon]

Hey zwetschenwasser!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mastin should be vig-killed

if possible due to wifom.
Since that is my position, voting him is pointless.

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.

They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

Yes. But he claims to have a death note. As per the rules, we must gain and destroy all death notes, and vigging him forces shinigami to drop death note as per the rules.

Followed by

no response

. Here you can clearly see a townie perspective in Magnus vs. the anti-town perspective with Zee.

[ZEEnon]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

Here I state a fact. I thought that Magnus didn't realize that Mastin wouldn't be killed if he actually was a shinigami.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

Here I state a fact. I thought that Magnus didn't realize that Mastin wouldn't be killed if he actually was a shinigami.

This is not the right answer.

[Lamont_Cranston]

His attitude and play towards Mastin is so conflicted, it really is very suspicious. It looks like he:

1) Wants to keep the town from destroying the note
2) Pretends like Mastin wasn't being scummy based on previous games as a bogus excuse
3) Then pretends he knew Mastin was town all along to cover why he discouraged killing him when he finally realized Mastin was town.

Too many things are wrong here with Zee when you stack everything up.

[Jebus]

Mod: Replace me please

I just found out that I'll be gone (out of reach of intarwebz) for most of July, and with this game only on D1, I'll definitely not be around for too long.

That, and I'm depressed about losing half my harddrive after getting my comp back - I lost all of my mafia files and stuff (including for games I'm currently modding - thank goodness I sent that info to my backup >.<)

[Lamont_Cranston]

Wow man I'm so sorry. I have noticed you Mod alot of games