I didn't, I always thought his bread crumbing was a scum method, when I said they were good I meant that they were put together good, but when I say that they are bad its because I believe that he set them up to use as a fake claim for his roleblocking claim.VP Baltar wrote:Mufasa, please explain your stance on Mastin's breadcrumbing. Did you think it was good or not? Why did you rapidly change positions from liking his breadcrumbs to not liking them?
I have been down this EXACT same road with him before (exept maybe he posted more). I attacked him for spouting that "X is obv town"....I felt that it was scum motivated...I was wrong...his play is scummy to be sure, but for him, it is a null tell.Hayker wrote:Hokay so
Of all the people.I feel most comfterable lynching my original suspect, Rofl. I still say that making the assumption that a player is mafia or town with the first page of the game, and be 100% sure about it, is rather scummy. He then assumed I was scum directly after, only for suspecting him. This comes off to me, as somewhat OMGUS. He now rarely posts and simply calls is apathy, but why not merely replace then? He's still in the game, but his posts are few and far inbetween usually. Even then, he just keeps the same suspisions and adds little discussion. I know I haven't added much, but I have tried what I can. Perhaps I should kick it up a notch though.
I still want Hayker to comment on this. Hayker, did you believe you were wrong when you made the original statement, or were you later proven wrong about it?MM wrote:VP wrote:You are saying he willfully gave incorrect information? Cause I'm pretty sure he said that he said something he may not have been sure about and it turned out to be wrong. These are different. Perhaps Hayker can step in here.MM wrote:
He was giving people info with the belief that it was wrong is this not the definition of a lie.
He said he believed he was wrong later so why say somthing that you dont believe to be true. Misleading.
This is complete WIFOM, as I pointed out before. The fact is that someone you found scummy was coaching another player and you defended him when the obvious thing to do would be to believe he was even more scummy. It was a direct change in stance that does not fit with your previous suspicions.MM wrote:If you say dont do that next time it directs peoples attention towards it scum would not want to point out their partners scummy behavior.
Combination of early gut, not seeing anything in his actions that would benefit him as scum more than town, and the ridiculous speed of the wagon. He actually kind of reminds me of Myko in Spy's recent game.VP Baltar wrote: Also, I want to hear from Kmd why he thinks MM is town. I saw a lot of similarities in his reads on people in this game to mine, but this was a major difference.
He has not contributed a thing and has set himself up to jump any easy wagon he chooses. How is that a null tell?curiouskarmadog wrote: I have been down this EXACT same road with him before (exept maybe he posted more). I attacked him for spouting that "X is obv town"....I felt that it was scum motivated...I was wrong...his play is scummy to be sure, but for him, it is a null tell.
I haven't played with Rofl by himself. I've played with Trotsky which consisted of Rofl and Korts.VP Baltar wrote:Have you played with rofl before Kmd?
Can't say I agree with your gut read on MM, but meh. Guess I can't win them all.
I still want Hayker to comment on this. Hayker, did you believe you were wrong when you made the original statement, or were you later proven wrong about it?[/quote]MM wrote:VP wrote:You are saying he willfully gave incorrect information? Cause I'm pretty sure he said that he said something he may not have been sure about and it turned out to be wrong. These are different. Perhaps Hayker can step in here.MM wrote:
He was giving people info with the belief that it was wrong is this not the definition of a lie.
He said he believed he was wrong later so why say somthing that you dont believe to be true. Misleading.
I am commenting on the bit about him saying "x is town"...and to a certian extent the low content posts. I will have to go back and find if he jumped around a lot on bandwagon...something tells me he did though. I am quite bitter about this game, because he bumped heads so much and I got lycnhed for it.Kmd4390 wrote:He has not contributed a thing and has set himself up to jump any easy wagon he chooses. How is that a null tell?curiouskarmadog wrote: I have been down this EXACT same road with him before (exept maybe he posted more). I attacked him for spouting that "X is obv town"....I felt that it was scum motivated...I was wrong...his play is scummy to be sure, but for him, it is a null tell.
Depends on how far into the Day it is and reasons for doing it.curiouskarmadog wrote: Also, KMD..you thoughts on bandwagons or the sake of bandwagons on day 1?
molestargazer doesn't look scummy because, well, he just replaced in. 
I still haven't heard a reasonable alternative for my proof(logical in this case) so I will continue to believe he is scum. At this point I've only changed my vote due to the public opinion that town shouldn't lynch a claimed miller because they likely won't live until end game, so it can be better used elsewhere.Kmd4390 wrote:Proven? I had a town read on you early, but this is one of a few twitches I've had concerning you.Namttam wrote:Proven scum. If you don't know why go read my logic in a previous post.
I take issue with the fact that you seem to be saying that your goal is to lynch MM rather than to find out more about his alignment. I infer this from the bolded sections. The first you are saying that achieving a lynch means you are effective in going after a suspect. In the second you seem to say that you have the support of others in lynching MM so you don't have to push as hard since you can do it at your leisure. I don't think MM's alignment has been proven so I would question your motive in voting MM.VP Baltar wrote:I was stating that that it was your opinion that my going after him was ineffective. I would disagree with this.I got him to L-3 in a matter of about a day.Second, I was saying what you implying I did by unvoting him was inaccurate. The fact is that people are very comfortable with a MM lynch THANKS TO MY CASE.I can return my vote there at will and he will likely be lynched.That wasn't necessarily going to be the case with Mastin. I'm not sure what you dont' understand about that.