Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[VP Baltar]

Dry your eyes and respond to these points first ckool.

If you don't understand something specific, then ask and I'll clarify.

we don't need to lynch you right now, just pressure you.

This is not being helpful. Also, has there been a case made this entire game that you haven't agreed with?

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #34=-

ckool5000 (5) - VP Baltar, Wickedestjr, SerialClergyman, Kublai Khan, Hayker
Mastin (3) - roflcopter, Xylthixlm, curiouskarmadog
roflcopter (3) - Kmd4390, molestargazer, Namttam
VP Baltar (1) - Mastin
Hayker (1) - Lowell

Not Voting (4) - Achilles, ckool5000, Empking's Alt, Faraday

9 to lynch.

[Xylthixlm]

molestargazer, do you think Mastin is scummy? Why or why not?

I will get back to you as soon as I've caught up.
If I don't, remind me, I'll have forgotten.

So... you voted roflcopter for his attack on Mastin without bothering to actually decide if Mastin is scummy?

I need to take a closer look at molestargazer.

[Xylthixlm]

...I'm seriously crying right now...

I have no idea what arguements to answer, since none of them make a lick of sense to me.

unvote, vote ckool5000

[Empking's Alt]

...I'm seriously crying right now...

I have no idea what arguements to answer, since none of them make a lick of sense to me.

unvote, vote ckool5000

Why?

[Kublai Khan]

I'm really doubting that Empking's Alt is even reading this game.

[molestargazer]

So... you voted roflcopter for his attack on Mastin without bothering to actually decide if Mastin is scummy?

Yes.
If an attack looks scummy, it doesn't matter who it's on, surely?

I asked rofl in that post to give us his reasonings for his vote. So far, I haven't got that (As far as I know).
His playstyle so far, I think, is scummy. Right now, I think it's worthy of my vote.

[Xylthixlm]

His playstyle so far, I think, is scummy. Right now, I think it's worthy of my vote.

At least you're aware that you're voting him for his playstyle.

[Wickedestjr]

...I'm seriously crying right now...

I have no idea what arguements to answer, since none of them make a lick of sense to me.

You're not really helping yourself right now.

Also, I am extremely suspicious of Empking's Alt. If I wasn't so suspicious of ckool, then my vote would be on Empking's Alt.

One reason why I think that he is scum is because the whole game he was voting KK, (until he voted MM at the end, but he said that was because of the deadline) who was also Zaz's main target. So I'm thinking they may be possible scum buddies. I also think that ckool was scumbuddies with Zaz, so Empking's Alt's last post only makes me more sure about the three of them being a Vermillion trio, if there are three Vermillions.

So

FoS: Empking's Alt

[molestargazer]

And I continue my read of D3, from 1081. Right, this'll be a long one, I'm planning to catch up a good few pages. If I'm (un)lucky, I'll catch up completely.

My actions are a coin. Intention-wise, it's either anti-town or pro-town.
Doesn't give you my role or alignment. Making it null.
Neither pro-town in role, nor pro-scum in role.

I don't like this post. It's basically saying "You can't tell my alignment from my posts, so anything you see in them is null". That's now how it works.

Add to that, yes, I am that good a player

This doesn't mean we should trust everything you say. You could just as easily be a very good scum player diverting us all.

Thing is, Khan, this fallacy is blown full of holes when I give proof of me having done it in previous games (Meta), which then PROVES that I am not lying,
Therefore,
Am telling the truth.

I don't think meta can prove that a statement is true or not. I can show evidence of playstyle. It can never prove anything. If you're mafia, you could very easily be lying for this.

---Lots of stuff about there being 4 killing groups---
Where's the other scum's kill, then?

Have you not considered the possibility that it's non-existant?
It's VERY unlikely that a group is blocked TWICE.

Want more proof Khan is scum?
This quote.
He KNOWS that I breadcrumb hard as town.
See 742.

So, did he forget a very vital part of my meta?
Don't think so; he's scum.

Using meta as pure proof again. Which I don't like.

Phail. Vote: VP Baltar

Any particular reason?

Rofl's 'defence' here consists of saying "Wrong" or "what about it". In one case, he admits lurking. Does nothing to convince me.
Frankly, neither will meta. It's not pro-town play.

It's an extreme gut-based playstyle. It's not unreadable, you just need to read it differently.

Could you please elaborate? Explain (even if just shortly) what you're reading which makes you think he isn't scum?

Mastin - Where did you go? You're officially under suspicion, which should mean you're getting your jollies off and writing pages upon pages of material.

Oh, god, please don't encourage him.

If my kill fails, I panic. It means something went wrong, be it doctor (clearing the person protected, in some instances), or roleblocker.

Yeah, but I still don't see why that would make him panic. If VP and Lowell really are his partners, then how come they didn't seem to panic in any way.

Why is this a problem? Surely different people react in different ways?
(Not read the link or the meta behind this. Just saying.)

Bloody hell, I'm only on P46? I hate you guys. Just sayin'.
May as well post what I have now and carry on.

[molestargazer]

I would tend to agree with that theory, but is it worth risking a potential town PR this early in the game?

yes. his continued insistence that he's blocked some fantasy fourth kill source both nights means that a) he's almost certainly not town and b) if he is town, he's only going to detrimentally lead us on wild goose chases

I actually think this is quite a good point.
A RB isn't a claim that can be proved so early in the game (if at all), and it's something where it's very possible to be led on with.
I refer to Mafia 91, MM claimed doc (Similar to RB in the sense that it can't be "proved" as such so early on) as scum and lasted the whole game.

Would I be willing to lynch Mastin?
On what I've seen so far, no. I think he's a little scummy, and I don't like his "know-all" reasoning for how he's coined scum. But through my lack of a reread perhaps, I don't think he's lynchworthy quite yet. If I thought him scummy enough, I wouldn't let his claim stop me.

i prefer badgering scum into voting for their partners, as i'm attempting to do to you right now.

If you try to use this as a reason for voting, then I don't like this. I wouldn't vote anyone purely because someone else said so, without a solid case which I believed in.
It is possible for townies to think that others are pro-town and thus be unwilling to vote for them.

Why did you feel the need to lurk? Forgive me if you've already answered this, but don't you think it would be better for the town if you gave opinions as often as possible?

Sometimes, people don't choose to lurk, y'know.

I'll let Kmd answer this first, as it is adressed to him.

*Stares at Kmd waiting for a reply*

*Stares at Kmd again waiting for a reply*

Then why bother putting it in and making your post more of a nightmare to read?

I'm getting to the point where I'm starting to skip long posts, so I think now's as good a time as any to hold it for the night. More tomorrow, hopefully.

[Xylthixlm]

Could you please elaborate? Explain (even if just shortly) what you're reading which makes you think he isn't scum?

I'm not sure he isn't scum, but I do think his suspicions are genuine. The fact that there are multiple scumgroups makes him harder to read because he could be on one group and thinks he's found someone on the other. Anyways, his play really reads like he's got an honest belief that Mastin is scum, even if he can't explain why, and he's trying to get Mastin lynched and doesn't care if that makes him look scummy doing so.

[roflcopter]

i have actually never seen a more literal appeal to emotion

unvote, vote: ckool

If you try to use this as a reason for voting, then I don't like this. I wouldn't vote anyone purely because someone else said so, without a solid case which I believed in.
It is possible for townies to think that others are pro-town and thus be unwilling to vote for them.

sure its possible for townies to find someone else pro town, but kmd never said he finds mastin pro town, rather he said he finds him scummy, possibly scummy enough to lynch. in this instance, your point fails.

[VP Baltar]

i have actually never seen a more literal appeal to emotion

heh.


Hayker, what is your current read on Wicked? Scum or town?

[Kmd4390]

Ckool is at L-2. I'm going to say that he should claim now as I'm willing to vote him and I believe others are as well.

[SerialClergyman]

I'd prefer him to follow this advice, but a claim is probably warranted at this time too.

[ckool5000]

A claim? You want a claim? Here it is:

(Serious) Claim: The Vigilante that killed Konowa Night 0.

I've got a breadcrumb too! Remember when I was arguing with... with... whoever it was on day 1, and I kept saying that I was positive that a vig killed Konowa? That's because

I

was the one who did it!

That should also explain why I was so happy that the Mafia Doctor was killed.

Response to post 1203 in a moment...

[ckool5000]

Oh, yeah, and if I survive this day, I'm still not sure who to kill the next night, so could somebody suggest someone? Thanks.

[Kmd4390]

Who did you kill Night 1?

[ckool5000]

Mufasa. It says "Annihilated" when it's me.

Also, did anyone else notice that Mastin nailed at least one scum on the first post of the game.

[SerialClergyman]

ckool - why did you decide to vig Konowa on N0?

[ckool5000]

I explained this in the, as called by VP Balter, "playful banter with Zaz". Konowa hadn't played a single game of mafia on the site when he signed up. I figured that he'd be a liability to the town, and it would probably help the mod out.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm having trouble believing that a mafia would kill Konowa.

Konowa, when he/she signed up for this game, hadn't played a single game of mafia yet! He/she signed up for one, but never actually played one. Would a newbie's likeliness to be lynched make the mafia want to kill them?... Probably not.

Does this make MafiaMann innocent?... I have no idea.

unvote

Thinking.

[Kmd4390]

Mufasa. It says "Annihilated" when it's me.

Also, did anyone else notice that Mastin nailed at least one scum on the first post of the game.

Ok, I was planning to point out "Annihilated" if you claimed someone else. It's null now because you mentioned it. I don't think there is an SK (24 players, 6 scum would be balanced, I don't see 2 scumgroups with different numbers on each), so I do believe there is a vig. I won't vote you unless we either see a counterclaim or another vig flip later.

And Mastin got lucky.

[SerialClergyman]

Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't be vigging on d0. You're just offing a random person, you've got much more chance to do harm than good. Plus, an SK doesn't affect balance greatly in a large game cos of the chance of mafia kills.

Having said that, I think mufasa was more likely to be a vig kill than an SK kill, and the reason for killing Konowa seems more vig-ly than SK-ly.

Could you go through your thought processes for why you killed Mufasa? And why are you accepting ideas from people in general about tonight, aren't you worried that scum will guide you in the wrong direction?

unvote