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Post Post #600 (ISO) » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:37 pm

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After the previous night, you all feel a sense of trepidation about what sunrise will bring. No blood, this time - Ojanen lies almost poignantly still, quietly garrotted in the darkness. Having breathed her last, she will surely be missed, for now a single misstep spells the end for the town.



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Day 3 dawns. The
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With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch. Mafia may no longer talk.

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Post Post #601 (ISO) » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:07 pm

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WHY AM I STILL ALIVE???

VOTE DOGMEAT
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If the scum aren't Scien and Dogmeat.. then Arelian has been playing VERY WELL.. and certainly deserves to win.

This is a TRUE process of elimination.

Arelian has played a very pro-town game.. although he has had some misguided ideas. I think as scum he would have been more reserved.

Raivann, on the other hand, I consider too scummy to be scum. He has been wild, and tunnel visioned, and scum generally enjoy self-preservation more?

I could be wrong about them.. but I doubt it.

By the way, we need to lynch correctly today.
Right now I support a Dog or Scien lynch.
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Post Post #602 (ISO) » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:44 pm

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Alright, I can't believe Ojanen died, that was pretty crazy. My whole theory about Ojanen/Scien has gone out of the window.

Anyway, camn voting right away in LyLo makes me think that either her or dogmeat are scum, but probably not both. I'm wrapping my mind around the possibilities but I highly doubt that one scum would vote for another in LyLo. Of course they could both be innocent but if they are we're kinda in trouble.

As it stands I'm leaning toward Scien/Camn or Dogmeat/Scien. Pretty good feeling about Raivann, but not too sure. I'm going to reread everything and see.

Also do you guys think we should all claim now?
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Post Post #603 (ISO) » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:49 pm

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Er, I guess Scien, Raivann, and Camn have all already claimed vanilla town. Just leaves me and Dogmeat then.
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Post Post #604 (ISO) » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:38 pm

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Hmrf, bah. Go town.
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Post Post #605 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:11 am

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@arelian.. I'm just relatively sure.

And if you have anything to claim, claim it.
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Post Post #606 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:22 am

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Camn wrote:Right now I support a Dog or Scien lynch.
Sounds good to me.

Vote: Dogmeat
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Post Post #607 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:36 am

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I don't have any power role to claim, I'm just vanilla town. And yeah, even if dogmeat claims doctor/cop we have no way of knowing if he's lying. So I guess there wasn't much point.

If dogmeat is town and Raivann is scum he could totally hammer right now and win, as much as I doubt that to be the case.

As far as everyone else is concerned me not hammering could mean that me/dogmeat are scum, but that it's not me/camn or me/scien.

From my perspective, dogmeat/camn, dogmeat/scien, camn/scien are all possible. If Raivann doesn't hammer then it could be Raivann/dogmeat. I really doubt that camn/dogmeat pair though, so I'm thinking:

dogmeat/scien
camn/scien
raivann/dogmeat (if he doesn't hammer)

so 66% chance scien or dogmeat is scum, 33% raivann or camn are. Gonna reread right now and look at those three pairs specifically.

As of now though I agree on Scien or Dogmeat, but I really don't want to hammer yet.

Dogmeat, get in here as fast as possible and explain your case.
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Post Post #608 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:47 am

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I'm thinking camn is scum for the main reason that she is still alive and I think arelian is town.
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Post Post #609 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:50 am

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So I'm thinking scumteam is camn/scien.

Because of hamburgers play and never had scum read on ASH/Dogmeat.

And Scien's quick vote with camn on Dogmeat today

And when Hamburger asked camn why he was on her lynch list for day 1
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camn wrote:Oh PS.. for the record.. IMHO

The scum are inside of :
# Josh Lyman
# Cojin
# SustainRelease
# Hamburger

I write these things just in case you'all quicklynch (which I doubt will happen) and I am killed tonight (which I am almost CERTAIN will happen).

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No Evidence.
It is just my sense of things.
Can I ask why I'm on the list? I'm guessing it's because of my lurkyness, which I will admit to.
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Post Post #610 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:15 am

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I went through everything again, and here's what I noticed:

Scien/dogmeat


SustainRelease/ASH/dogmeat had very little content the entire game. It was really hard trying to see their interactions with other players because of how little they did. Still, here are a few things that stood out to me:

1. SustainRelease and dogmeat haven't mentioned Hamburger/Scien at all (or very very little). Could have been trying to avoid a connection.

2. Ash questions everyone except Scien/Amished.

Scien/camn


Camn has pretty much been attacking everyone. She RVS voted for Hamburger day 1, and later voted him for real. She also said these:

1. "rvs is the best time to bus your partner"

2. "scum voting their scum-partners, ESPECIALLY on D1, is so common it isn't even funny. They even have a word for it."

And after I suspected her of being scum and thought her vote for hamburger if he was actually scum was a bad idea:

3. "IF I were scum, I would do that because It would clear me for the rest of the game. But I'm not."

All of this is major WIFOM though.

Also noticed this: Scien isn't willing to hammer Camn

Raivann/dogmeat


Really hard to find stuff about this one. But...

1. Raivann did bring up ASH out of the blue

2. Dogmeat voices some suspicion of Raivann, though it is kinda back and forth.
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Post Post #611 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:25 am

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Sorry for the double post again, but so basically: I think Raivann/dogmeat is unlikely, and it's probably Scien/dogmeat. Scien/camn is possible too though.

Very willing to vote for Scien.
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Post Post #612 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:45 am

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Yeah I'm willing to vote Scien too.
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Post Post #613 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:42 pm

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All of Arelian's views seem pretty spot on as usual. No surprises there.
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Post Post #614 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:20 am

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In that case,

Vote: Scien


If you're town, I'm really sorry. But I'm pretty confident.
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Post Post #615 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:58 am

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Lets do it.

UNVOTE
Vote : Scien
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Post Post #616 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:08 am

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Vote: Scien
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Post Post #617 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:10 am

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oh jees...I can't even drop the hammer right in this game :oops:

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Post Post #618 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:27 am

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oh god suspense
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Post Post #619 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:42 am

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Ya, got me. I was hoping for something like that. Less discussion today serves our ends, and me getting us to Lylo made me look almost confirmed scum.

Hopefully I am self sacrificing for the win.

Go Scum!
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Post Post #620 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:49 am

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Dogmeat is next.
camn wrote:
Unvote,
Vote: SustainRelease


I don't like the reasoning behind your vote.
camn wrote:
VOTE: AShadowedHeart


I can't think of anything she has brought to this game.
camn wrote:I propose we lynch AShadowedHeart.
in fact,
Vote: AShadowedHeart
camn wrote:WHY AM I STILL ALIVE???

VOTE DOGMEAT
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Post Post #621 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:30 am

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Day 3, Vote Count #1

Scien (3) <- arelian, camn, Raivann
Dogmeat <- Scien

Not Voting: Dogmeat.

The
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With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.



A quick decision is made, and you string up Scien; an even quicker confession follows, but there can be no recompense for this level of betrayal; the gathered villagers finally give a cheer as he meets his end. Buoyed by a day's work well done, you turn in for the night.



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Any night actions are due before then; if you don't get it in, I'll randomly make one for you.
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Post Post #622 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:03 am

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You meet as scheduled, finding Raivann absent. Almost expectantly, you check his house and find his limp body. The three of you are all that remains of the council, and now it's time to settle this once and for all.



Raivann
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With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch.
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Post Post #623 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:12 am

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wow. Bad choice.

Areilian, if you are scum, you deserve the win.
But you could have hammered Dogmeat yesterday, but didn't. That would have been a scum win.. so you are confirmed to me.

VOTE: DOGMEAT
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Post Post #624 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:44 am

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So I guess the decision is pretty much up to me then.

I'm not sure what else I can ask at this point, camn was suspicious to me for a lot of the game but she could just as easily been genuine. Dogmeat/ash/sustainrelease have done pretty much nothing, and really it looks like dogmeat will probably be replaced soon. Is it fair to have a replacement come in and read 25 pages and then maybe even not make a huge difference?

camn, I know at this point that if you're town you know for a fact that Dogmeat is scum. Can you find any good evidence that shows it? And Dogmeat, if you're still here, can you find any evidence that shows camn is scum?

I'll reread the thread again and ask any questions I can. I'll be gone for a few hours but when I get back I'll post some more thoughts.
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