Mini 811: Foggy Londontown Mafia - Over!

[Gwynplaine]

Less than three days to the deadline now. If ThAdmiral is going to post anything, it better be soon.

Mod: Check the vote count. I should have two votes, not three, and Kikuchiyo should be in the "Not Voting" column.

Vote Count Fourteen

ThAdmiral: 5 (qwints, SerialClergyman, iamausername, Tenchi, Mokina)
Gwynplaine: 2 (Lowell, Hero 764)
Lowell: 1 (Nikanor)
SerialClergyman: 1 (Gwynplaine)

Not Voting: 3 (dank, kikuchiyo, ThAdmiral)

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

Current deadline: Saturday, July 18th 8:10 AM EST

[Lowell]

I'll move my vote if I have to by deadline.

[SerialClergyman]

Hey guys, I'm just posting to say I'm not going to be as prolific as I have been, I'm a little limited by my connection. I'll still be around and posting, but possibly not as many wall of texts.

Nikanor - I totally sympathise with your case on Lowell, however it fits his meta perfectly. I'm in a game iwth him now, and if you check his other games I think you'll see what I mean. I'm not saying he's a bad choice for pressuing and lynching, I just think that FC is out of meta a little more and his posts ahve been more actively scummy.

But your case is a good one.

Can we get some more opinions on the game from those not voting FC? Gwyn posted a case on me, Nikanor has posted one on Lowell and dank has had RL issues, but Hero, i think you've been pretty quiet (although I noticed your post war with Mastin in Jungle mafia when doing meta reads.. hahah sucks to be you ) and Lowell, something a bit more substantive than what you've posted would be aweosme. Also, are you deadset against lynching FC or neutral towards it or what?

[SerialClergyman]

Ignore the stuff I wrote about lowell, simulpost.

[kikuchiyo]

Ignore the stuff I wrote about lowell, simulpost.

So, you feel Lowell's post was "substantive"?

[Lowell]

No he feels he knows my opinion of lynching FC/Admiral.

To elaborate, I think there's a decent chance FC was telling the truth. However, I agree that doc is the most common (easiest) scumclaim, and I'm not of the opinion that doc is such an important role anyway, so I'd certainly prefer a FC/Admiral lynch to no lynch.

[kikuchiyo]

I can agree that it is better than a no-lynch, but I have to say doc is one of the best power roles available to town. Granted, as scum on day 1, I would most likely try and out the doc if I were heading to the gallows. This is a tough one.

[Nikanor]

Also, are you deadset against lynching FC or neutral towards it or what?

I would rather lynch Lowell, but I'd be up to lynching FC as well.

[Mokina]

No he feels he knows my opinion of lynching FC/Admiral.

To elaborate, I think there's a decent chance FC was telling the truth. However, I agree that doc is the most common (easiest) scumclaim, and I'm not of the opinion that doc is such an important role anyway, so I'd certainly prefer a FC/Admiral lynch to no lynch.

I'd disagree here. Doc's a really important role to the town. The reason why doc is a

good

scumclaim isn't just the relatively low chance of a counterclaim (and the virtually nil chance that any CCer will be defended). Scum like doc claims because every protown power role wants to believe there's doc around to save them, and unless "BS" is the general consensus, such reverence for the role is reflected in the vote counts.

Lowell ... do you think anyone else is a better candidate than FC? Obviously you can disavow support of a nolynch - it's a cop-out and won't get us anywhere - but without concrete suspicions of anyone else, I'm a little wary of this post. Eager to join the biggest wagon w/no explanation?

[Lowell]

With two days left, no, I dont' think anyone's a better candidate. It's either going to be FC/Admiral or no one.

[Hero764]

Can we get some more opinions on the game from those not voting FC? Gwyn posted a case on me, Nikanor has posted one on Lowell and dank has had RL issues, but Hero, i think you've been pretty quiet (although I noticed your post war with Mastin in Jungle mafia when doing meta reads.. hahah sucks to be you Very Happy) and Lowell, something a bit more substantive than what you've posted would be aweosme. Also, are you deadset against lynching FC or neutral towards it or what?

I made a post earlier about this, but now I don't think we should be lynching gwyn so soon. He's been fairly pro-town so far, so

unvote

.

It looks like FC is going to be the lynch, unless ThAdmiral says something amazing. I want to wait for ThAdmiral to post his thoughts, unless it gets to sunday and he still hasn't, in which case I'll hammer.

[dank]

Hello!

Reading...

it's absolutely ridiculous for you not to say anything considering the situation we're in right now. post something at least.

[qwints]

I really don't like Lowell's last two posts.

He "thinks there's a decent chance FC's telling the truth" but he's portraying the lynch as inevitable. Anyone for an alternative wagon? That feels incredibly scummy to me.

unvote, vote: Lowell

[Nikanor]

I want to wait for ThAdmiral to post his thoughts, unless it gets to

sunday

Saturday

and he still hasn't, in which case I'll hammer.

[Hero764]

I'd rather lynch Lowell than the un cc'd doc.

vote: Lowell

Let's see if this wagon'll get support.

[dank]

You realize trying to build a bandwagon for the sole reason of not lynching someone else is about as scummy as lynching the confirmed doc, right? What happened to scumhunting, hero?

[Nikanor]

lynching the confirmed doc, right?

He's only confirmed if he's killed. Stop calling him confirmed.

[dank]

sorry sorry, i meant claimed*. Been a long day.

[kikuchiyo]

Vote: Lowell

Sorry, but no. Lowell is a prototypical policy lynch. He, so far, has been a fairly null tell lurker. Gut can easily lean town on a player such as he, but in reality, his play qualifies him for policy lynching. That said, without a counterclaim, a FC lynch is just a bad idea. If doc does show up, or claims later, we can lynch then. Yes there are holes in that plan as well, but its only day 1 here and a lowell flip is as good information as any, especially considering the possible negatives of a towndocFC. I would still like to hear from Thadmiral.

[kikuchiyo]

ebwop:

Vote: Lowell

[qwints]

dank, do you oppose a Lowell lynch? I must say, I'm pretty surprised at your attack on hero given your earlier attitude towards a FC lynch.

[qwints]

FTR, I believe it's now 4 votes for Lowell and 4 for TheAdmiral.

[dank]

I dont like the bending around kiku's done the last few pages. Going from no lynch without a counterclaim to "dank: shut up and hammer" to I'd rather lynch Lowell, but FC works too, to lynching FC is a horrible idea.

[dank]

My opinion of the FC lynch irrelevant. Hero is throwing his vote on Lowell for the sole reason that he isn't FC, which is a very stupid gamble to make. It's one thing to make a policy lynch for someone who is playing anti-town as I feel FC had been prior to his claim (+ he was scummy), but to policy lynch someone who even kiku calls a "null-tell" player is both stupid and scummy. I'm against almost all policy lynches unless the player's just useless, but I do not think Lowell has been hurting town with his play.

kiku/hero, do you feel he has?

[Hero764]

You realize trying to build a bandwagon for the sole reason of not lynching someone else is about as scummy as lynching the confirmed doc, right? What happened to scumhunting, hero?

That's not the only reason I'm voting for him, silly. Do I need to list the reasons others have brought up?

In particular I think Nikanor's case in post 547 makes a great point. Combine that with his active lurking, some very scummy posts(ie. the one in which he votes me) he's also scummy for earlier voting FC on the premise that he lied(which I'm not going to argue about right now). He's been acting scummy all day, and if there's support for his lynch then hell, why not?