Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[Benmage]

Unvote

I hate this game sometimes.

I follow the process. Waiting for Mastin.

@Gieff/SensFan

You guys for or not for seeing Mastin lynched today?

[Zachrulez]

You are paranoid, Zach.

Well I've been suspicious of you pretty much all day, so I don't exactly trust what you say...

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

Mastin (6): Zachrulez, Debonair Danny DiPietro, VP Baltar, Kmd4390, Benmage, camn
Battle Mage (2): Mastin, alexhans
SpyreX (1): jammer
jammer (1): Battle Mage
alexhans (1): GIEFF

Not Voting: Cephrir, blackcatcontract, SensFan, SpyreX

8 to lynch

[GIEFF]

@ Benmage:

I am less OK with a Mastin lynch than I was recently. This is due to alex's grandstanding about being against a Mastin lynch, yet refusing to do anything about it.

As I said, it smells like a scum player trying to set himself up to look good after a mislynch.

alex-scum/mastin-town also fits in with his nutsocaps - why would a town player defend ANYBODY so strongly without reason? And a scum player wouldn't be so obvious about defending his buddy.

[Zachrulez]

So you were fine enough with a Mastin lynch to push him to lynch -1, but suddenly now after Alex posts, WHO HAS LOOKED SUSPICIOUS THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PRETTY MUCH MOST OF THE DAY ANYWAY, you're suddenly less ok with a Mastin lynch.

What the hell is the deal with that?

None of this is suddenly very new. All this evidence against Alex has been there for quite some time now.

What's changed since say... the start of today up to now? The fact that the town is becoming more open to the idea of lynching Mastin?

Every time the possibility of lynching Mastin becomes real, you look for another suspect. It's getting ridiculous.

[GIEFF]

No, my evidence against alex is quite new.

And it doesn't just make alex scummy, it makes Mastin less likely to be scum. Scum don't try to win town-points by being against scum-lynches.

[Zachrulez]

And this is not the first time Gieff has left the Mastin wagon.

As I look back through the game I notice his first unvote in favor of pursuing Battle Mage in post 361.

A vote change that came pretty shortly after Mastin started posting again in posts 359 and 360.

I'm going to take a little break from this for now though, but I'm going to have a browse through the other 600 posts to refresh my memory on what else pulled Gieff off the Mastin wagon as well. (And going through all those posts is not fun at all...)

[Zachrulez]

No, my evidence against alex is quite new.

And it doesn't just make alex scummy, it makes Mastin less likely to be scum. Scum don't try to win town-points by being against scum-lynches.

Bullshit, it's well known that Alex is defending Mastin.

What is new is your spin on his behavior that was suddenly triggered by Alex posting while Mastin was at lynch -1 which is not distinctly different or contradictory from his stance on Mastin at all.

[GIEFF]

I believe I've explained why I left the Mastin wagon. I had wanted to switch to Battle Mage earlier, but I did not, because I liked the extra pressure on Mastin to make him come back and post. When he came back and started posting, I switched my vote to the player I found scummiest - Battle Mage.

Bullshit, it's well known that Alex is defending Mastin.

Is it well known that he is defending Mastin while secretly wanting him to be lynched? THAT is new information. As is his ridiculous coaching of camn.

[Yaw]

Cephrir and blackcatcontract have been prodded.

Mastin posted

yesterday

, people. I'm not poking people who haven't been away from the thread enough time to warrant a prod.

[Benmage]

@ Benmage:

I am less OK with a Mastin lynch than I was recently. This is due to alex's grandstanding about being against a Mastin lynch, yet refusing to do anything about it.

As I said, it smells like a scum player trying to set himself up to look good after a mislynch.

alex-scum/mastin-town also fits in with his nutsocaps - why would a town player defend ANYBODY so strongly without reason? And a scum player wouldn't be so obvious about defending his buddy.

Fair enough. But for the sake of the game, do you realistically believe you can persuade a majority onto a different player? Or even Alex for this case...I doubt it, and if mastin does flip town. Alex's over excessive defense is certainly something to note.

[camn]

Maybe, on a meta-level, Geiff is ALSO trying to gain townie points by setting himself against the Mastin wagon.

Odds are Mastin will not survive until endgame unless his play changes DRAMATICALLY.... so this whole gambit, if Mastin flips town, can easily be referred back to by Geiff to try and gain cred.

It could really be the same thing he is accusing Alex of, only much more clever. Kinda need to see the flip, though.

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and if mastin does flip town. Alex's over excessive defense is certainly something to note.

What if Mastin flips scum? Is Alex's defense less notable then?

[Zachrulez]

Maybe, on a meta-level, Geiff is ALSO trying to gain townie points by setting himself against the Mastin wagon.

Odds are Mastin will not survive until endgame unless his play changes DRAMATICALLY.... so this whole gambit, if Mastin flips town, can easily be referred back to by Geiff to try and gain cred.

It could really be the same thing he is accusing Alex of, only much more clever. Kinda need to see the flip, though.

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and if mastin does flip town. Alex's over excessive defense is certainly something to note.

What if Mastin flips scum? Is Alex's defense less notable then?

I think in order to make any kind of sense of Alexhans, we really need to see Mastin's flip, and Alexhans' reaction to it.

A piece of information Gieff seems to REALLY not want us to have.

[Benmage]

Attn: GIEFF, benmage, spyrex, and camn---the time has come to do the right thing and vote Mastin. Scum are clearly trying to make this day utterly useless and Mastin's lynch will tell us information about his most ardent defenders. Furthermore, Mastin's scum meta is to lurk when he gets behind. Be pro-town and help this game move forward.

I'll give him 2 days to explain and then I'll vote. Access issues (which I apparently missed him saying in his games) or not doesn't change the fact it was a slew of posts in other games before the issues and not addressing this one. 2 days is plenty even with a shitty connection to say something relevant in this game.

Do you even believe he could catchup in days. He's been sitting on page 4 for 5 days now. Even in these next two days if he devotes his time solely to this game, that's quite the personal feat.

And as I've said, what epiphany are you expecting to have once he posts. I honestly can't imagine him convincing me not to lynch him today.

[SpyreX]

If I knew the potential epiphany then I wouldn't have to wait for him to give it would I?

Chances are there isn't one. HOWEVER, regardless of that why the hell wouldn't you give the CHANCE for it?

If he is scum:
- it is another chance for him to spew something out to parse for connections.

If he is town:
- it is another chance to get his feelings on the game on record.

[Benmage]

and if mastin does flip town. Alex's over excessive defense is certainly something to note.

What if Mastin flips scum? Is Alex's defense less notable then?

We'll have to see by his continual game play. If he seems scummy in several other aspects than this could be added and possible viewed as a monumental newb-mistake on overreacting/supporting/looking to save a scum buddy.

[Benmage]

HOWEVER, regardless of that why the hell wouldn't you give the CHANCE for it?

I grow weary of D1, and honestly don't imagine him responding on anything in the next two days. At best, there's no way he reads past page 10.

[GIEFF]

Yes, I do realistically believe I can persuade a majority onto alex.

1. We aren't lynching Mastin today. If you wanna give an

   Alex

   wagon a try, i might be a little more sympathetic to your anti-town attitude regarding today

   Plus all BM's back-and-forth with alex early on.
   

2. Jesus, no. We should be lynching Mastin or

   alex

   , as that is where the majority of agreement by the group is at. I really think if we give the camn situation a night for everyone to relax and look back, things will make much more sense.

3. Who is the top 3 on your scumlist?

   Mastin is still number one and I don't understand why attention on him has continued to drop. It only validates his lurking behavior.
   ...
   I guess

   Alex

   is number two right now, I simply don't understand his shameless defense of Mastin from a town perspective. Furthermore, he continued and continues to wall-post even after people have requested that he knock it off.

4. I like to who SensFan and Jammer would of liked to see lynched today. Neither have voted for sometime.

   For me, Gieff, Mastin,

   Alex

   and possibly spyrex for that reflex vote on Camn.

5. People I'd lynch before Mastin:
   

   alexhans

   
   GIEFF
   blackcatcontract (replacing Kairyuu)

6. Alex

   or Mastin needs to be lynched today.

7. Dollars to donuts if we lynch (GIEFF,

   Alex

   , Benmage) in that order there will be a scum hit.

8. vote alex

Last I checked, 8 is all we need. Even without Cephrir, bcc, or Mastin contributing anything.

In fact, the only people AGAINST an alex lynch seem to be Benmage, Zach, and camn. All of whom seem to be VERY against it.

[GIEFF]

Attention KMD, Spyrex, Sens, Baltar, jammer, DDD, and Battle Mage - it takes only a little bit of effort to switch to an alex-wagon. Help me out.

Just because Zach, Benmage, and camn are flipping out (to varying degrees) about an alex lynch doesn't mean it is the wrong play.

[Benmage]

All of whom seem to be VERY against it.

That's a blatant lie so chill, because the rest of the post was actually very nice. That ending almost ruined everything for me. I don't ever really recall mentioning anything worth weight in regards to alex's allegiance. I certainly have seemed very against him being lynched. I haven't seemed like anything in regards to him being lynched. All i've stated is i'd like to see Camn or Mastin lynched.

[Benmage]

Just because Zach, Benmage, and camn are flipping out (to varying degrees) about an alex lynch doesn't mean it is the wrong play.

You're losing your whole argument with this non-sense.

[Benmage]

Spryex, jammer, zach, sensfan, battle mage, and kmd have all voted you at one point or another this day Gieff. If I voted you, camn would too. That looks like a possible 8 votes there if someone were to push your lynching.

[GIEFF]

That's a blatant lie so chill, because the rest of the post was actually very nice. That ending almost ruined everything for me. I don't ever really recall mentioning anything worth weight in regards to alex's allegiance.

It is not a lie at all. I read your iso for every interaction you've had with alex, and I know there's no way you will be voting for him today. Lots of agreeing, lots of backing him up, and very little aggression.

Zach is obviously against it.

You're losing your whole argument with this non-sense.

I won't convince you, anyway.

If you aren't against an alex lynch, why are you trying to tear down my argument?

[GIEFF]

Spryex, jammer, zach, sensfan, battle mage, and kmd have all voted you at one point or another this day Gieff. If I voted you, camn would too. That looks like a possible 8 votes there if someone were to push your lynching.

And now you breaks out the chainsaw. Or the threat of one, at least.

Yes, I can tell I was VERY wrong when I said it seemed like you were strongly against alex's lynch.

[GIEFF]

And this is just ONE measly vote.

I wonder how Benmage will react if he gets up to 4 or 5 votes?