Mini 829 - Internal Struggle Mafia (Over)

[DTMaster]

@Toro

You are ignoring my post/case on you. Why?

[Zachrulez]

Zach I think you need to unvote before you vote again.

The rules don't explicitly say so. It should count.

[RedCoyote]

Depends on the faction I am. If I'm town the modkill will not be treated as a day-vig attempt, the traditional setting is to treat it as a lynch, especially when town outnumbers the scum players.

If

you're town?

Hmm...

Unvote

[DTMaster]

@RC
I'm writing a hypothetical situation. Would you rather I stated in more absolute terms? That is borderline soft claiming or a full on claim if I said "I'm town so if I get mod-killed it should resolve into a lynch" instead of "If I am town it should resolve into a lynch, if I'm not town it would be day-vig".

[DTMaster]

Er. EBWOP: Borderline full claim, or soft claim. Reversed the situation.

[Idiotking]

@IK
Why take the suicidal route?

Information. Of the suspects, the town would get the most info from me. Nobody's linked to toro, hiphop, jason, or Don (yes, you too Don). I, however, am linked to a whole lot of people.

Information is a tool, and the most powerful one at the town's disposal. As such, the information gleaned from my death would be the best possible gift I could give to the town at this point.

I don't see this as suicide. I see it as the best course of action for the town's survival. Better a vanilla die than a PR, and better the town have the maximum possible info D2 than any less.

[DTMaster]

@IK
It's best if we hit scum day 1 though. >>;

I'd prefer to not support your martyr play just on principle on what those links will reveal.

[DTMaster]

Whoops hit submit not preview:

It just feels anti-townish to support a self vote.

[Idiotking]

Under most circumstances, yes. But if it would help the town enough, I think townies should be very willing to die, and to support their own deaths.

Of course it would be best for scum to by lynched, but from what I can see that doesn't look like it's going to happen. So I ask to be killed instead of someone with a PR.

Oh, and for you guys who think I'm trying to create a WIFOM situation? Then just kill me and get your damn answer!

[DTMaster]

@IK

>>;; I hate beating the dead horse when he is done, but I'd prefer to explore more on Toro, Zach and Jason before the day is over. But self suicidal like this is just going to hang in the air in future town discussions, making scum hunting ineffective.

Some conditions to the town:
If IK flips scum I'm the obv target to hit next.
If IK flips townie I'm highly suspicious but I think the Zach / Toro link should be explored, among any other issues left.

Unvote
Vote: Idiot King

[Idiotking]

I don't see how you'd be suspicious if I'm town. You've been more level-headed in your dealings with me than most. I'm more interested to see DRK's and RC's reactions to my flip, since at least DRK has been tunneling me and RC hasn't shown any indication that he believes he could be possibly incorrect either.

[Shrinehme]

@IK
Why take the suicidal route?

Information. Of the suspects, the town would get the most info from me.

If you flip Townie, then we don't get information directly for your lynch... If you are Town, then, just because RC pushed a case against you, we aren't going to suddenly turn around and say he's scum. Vanilla Townies have no relations to other players, and so no information is gained through their lynch.

This martyr thing is just silly. Especially when, in my opinion, Toro is the better choice.

Also, Hiphop. I lol'd at 474, and I agree with you.

Come to think of it... Zachrulez has been under the radar enough for me to keep forgetting he's even in the game. I think I'll consider an ISO read on him.

[DTMaster]

@IK
My current actions against don still are left behind as arguments against me. The only argument that can be taken off from me is the WIFOM: scum defending scum argument/ the whole buddy argument.

[Idiotking]

No, Shrine, that's not all that I'm talking about.

RC and DRK have both been tunneling me. Admittedly, I've been tunneling them, but information will be gleaned there. I don't even want you to turn around and say he's scum, I want you to

investigate

. Don's first vote will be forever shown to be bullshit, because there's no other words to describe it. His 'reasoning', his excuse, everything is completely stupid. Information will be gleaned there. Hiphop's and Toro's opportunism, DTM and Ryan's interactions with me, information will be gleaned

everywhere

. I'm not thinking as small as you believe I am.

[Idiotking]

DTM, Don's actions are those of a lurker looking for an excuse. Every single thing he's done is so pathetically wrong that I would feel sorry for him if I cared enough.

Read his posts in isolation. Do they look like the things an honest-to-God townie would do?

[DTMaster]

@IK

No which is why I showed everyone my completed newbie game as proof, don't play anti-town to get reactions in a town setting. It'll back fire and looks poorly on game style. To me don is very anti-town to not answer any of my questions which is why I did IGMIOY to him.

The only fact remains is:

1. Keeping my vote (note I voted before the claim) is based on policy, not on scum signs.
2. Day 2 will be much more revealing to Don's alignment then Day 1.

[Idiotking]

And I'll go ahead and point out that RC unvoted when I was at L-1 on an obvious bandwagon and the most likely lynch (me). He thinks I'm scummiest, he even put me as only one hyphen away from being scum, and yet he unvotes with

no explanation

. Why is this?

[Shrinehme]

RC and DRK have both been tunneling me. Admittedly, I've been tunneling them, but information will be gleaned there. I don't even want you to turn around and say he's scum, I want you to

investigate

. Don's first vote will be forever shown to be bullshit, because there's no other words to describe it. His 'reasoning', his excuse, everything is completely stupid. Information will be gleaned there. Hiphop's and Toro's opportunism, DTM and Ryan's interactions with me, information will be gleaned

everywhere

. I'm not thinking as small as you believe I am.

All of that information is here now, though.
... But it's not worthwhile looking into/cannot draw complete conclusions from those if we can also presume that you're Scum!

I just had a revelation that may affect how I play Mafia from this point onward... Lol.

I'd prefer to hit the lurky players first, still [I realize this may seem ironic, because of my relatively low post count so far within this thread, but I try to always have new/original content and questions when I

do

post].

[Idiotking]

If that's true, DTM, then it would be nice if the person he made the anti-town vote on was dead, wouldn't it?

[Idiotking]

All of that information is here now, though.
... But it's not worthwhile looking into/cannot draw complete conclusions from those if we can also presume that you're Scum!

That's why I'm doing this.

I just had a revelation that may affect how I play Mafia from this point onward... Lol.[/quote]

[Idiotking]

Epic quote fail....

[DTMaster]

@IK

Again please read the vote count before you say you were at L-1 >>;;

Since the last vote count the following votes on you happened:

2 Total on Alex's 451 (Hiphop and RC)
+1 from don's 458
+1 from Zach's 467
+1 from Toro's 468
-1 from RC's 477
+1 from my 484.

Total that is 5, not 6 votes. You are L-2, with DRK waiting on his vote.

[DTMaster]

@IK

493: Depends. It's a null tell since I broke the rules with that post. You can chalk it up for both: a guy upholding the rule's, or a guy looking for an easy kill.

[Idiotking]

Ah, I see. I was incorrect in my numbers, my apologies. My brain still had DRK as voting for me.

Nevertheless, I'm the popular bandwagon, and RC's unvote is unexplained. I want to know why he unvoted at such an unusual time.

[Idiotking]

@IK

493: Depends. It's a null tell since I broke the rules with that post. You can chalk it up for both: a guy upholding the rule's, or a guy looking for an easy kill.

That's not what I mean.

Don voted for me originally. Therefore, if I die and flip town, his potential alignment could be substantially affected by D2; you'd be able to see a whole different side to the vote. Not both sides, because we wouldn't know Don's alignment yet, but one side would be clear as day.

I want to hear him try to explain it away then.