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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:06 am

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Vote Count:
6 to lynch.

KY Krew: 3 (Gaspar, GoofballsAndBaloons, ShadowLurker)
zwetschenwasser: 1 (Bagel Eating Cowfrog)
GoofballsAndBaloons: 1 (Thok)
Mr. Grey: 1 (Mighty Orbots)
ShadowLurker: 1 (KY Krew)

Not Voting: 4 (elmosaurian, Rawr Hydra, Seraphim, zwetschenwasser)

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KY Krew

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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:12 am

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Goofballoons: I didn't suggest that anything SHOULD happen. I said switching COULD happen. I was speaking only in the hypothetical.
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:14 am

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Gaspar wrote:Goofballoons: I didn't suggest that anything SHOULD happen. I said switching COULD happen. I was speaking only in the hypothetical.
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:26 am

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http://www.fainelloth.de/gifs/angel_demon.gif

Here's my picture. Tell me what you think. I would much rather see a MafiaJin lynch today than a KY Krew one, so I would support switching Krew with Jin today. There's always the possibility that if the town chooses something that kills a player they could kill KY.
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:38 am

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So on camera continues to be a mess. Right now I'd like zwetschenwasser to give a them a thumbs up picture (indicating that they should trust Locke) instead of the one he found before unless anyone back here thinks that the correct choice is not what both advocates are saying what it is. That should be less ambiguous given the more recent request from on camera I hope.

If that on camera nonsense keeps up then I do want to see KY Krew replacing someone on camera on Friday (one week in to the two week deadline) and clearing up the mess. Right now I don't care if he replaces MafiaJin, Talilan, Hewitt or MufBlade (I don't usually use abreviations or nicknames but ThebladethatkilledMufasa is too long to be worth my normal policy.) I want to wait till Friday to give KY Krew a chance to actually do something useful here; if they don't and they're the one we want to lynch then right now I'd probably be fine with that and I'd hope that those on camera can stop confusing what should be a simple issue.

Papa Zito gets to do the votes for our hybrid so I'm going to be keeping his latest vote when I put it at the end of this message as the last try didn't get counted but we're discussing it out of thread as I think that elmosaurian is making reasonable contributions. He should have a list reflecting our shared views later today I hope.

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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:47 am

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zwetschenwasser wrote:There's always the possibility that if the town chooses something that kills a player they could kill KY.
Indeed.

I also approve the picture if that's the message we still want to send. How about a Valentine heart? Would that be a better message?
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:57 am

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No, it would not be a better message, because the explicit request Talilan made was "give us thumbs up if you trust Locke, or thumbs down if you do not."

If we say we trust Locke, then picking Valentine is the obvious choice.




The other reason I want to send KY Krew into the game is so that they can remind everybody that
THEY ARE NOT TO MAKE A DECISION UNTIL OUR AUDIOGRAPHER POSTS THE SONG "CLOSING TIME."
I know at least one person (MafiaJin) was active during the thread, yet they voted early on. Sloppy play all around, in my opinion.
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:04 pm

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It looks like the On Camera crew got confused at our soundtrack. While we thought they were making the right decision but just needed more time to decide a lynch, they seem to have interpreted our message as that they should second guess themselves.

I think the Angel/Demon picture is a bad waste of our power. Talian's question of
Hey - Does anyone remember whether there can be two bad choices in a single scene? Or is there always at least one good choice that can be made?
should be easily answerable by the other Actors on stage assuming they were paying any attention at all.

GoofballsandBalloons: I'm already on the KY Krew wagon :P

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The only thing I fear today is that KY Krew might pull themselves On Stage at the last moment if they are going to be lynched. So let's just agree to this now:
KY Krew, if you put yourself on stage during the last five days maximum of the scene OR do not replace either MafiaJin/Talian/whoever is most suspicious on stage, then you will be lynched at the next available opportunity.

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Gaspar: If MafiaJin is lynched, what do you feel about the fact that CKD who has ambiguous alignment would be taking over?

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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:07 pm

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But that's what we want them to do. Both advocates are saying to let Val drive and that's what they should be doing. Telling them we trust Locke should make it clear that we want them to follow his advice, shouldn't it?

If that's too confusing then how about a thumbs up with a woman driving something in the background perhaps?

At this point zwetschenwassers half-angle half-devil picture in a single individual is more likely to be confusing as it makes it look like some choices are both good and bad which is not the message we want to get across right now.

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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:38 pm

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Hmm, so a picture like this one:

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Cele ... o6vU5l.jpg

Should get the information that we want across I would think.

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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:44 pm

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No, wait, that one has language in it. Let's see what else I can find.

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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:50 pm

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OK, last post for now I promise. I think this one should work:

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_319/ ... gj99s0.jpg

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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:42 pm

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I think it would be hard to figure that one out. What exactly are we trying to convey here?
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:24 pm

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We wrote:Playing as pro-town as possible should be everyone's agenda - it gives scum a much harder time to pick endgamers.
This was meant as a qualifier for:
We also wrote:Lurking is :nothelpful:, our bad.
We were apologizing for not playing as pro-town as possible by being away for the weekend.

G&B's conjecture about our absence is awful - neither of us were here for the weekend. He-said/she-said, and yet that's a scummy, contrived case.
G&B wrote:What kind of worthless, one-word "analysis" is that? Of all that's been said, including some actual issues, that's what you choose to pick on?
Welcome to how I like to scumhunt? Really all inHim can say. We both hate making filler posts that rehash old arguments. If either of us felt there was a specific need to comment on these "actual issues" we would have.

SL at least responded to inHim's readthrough. We don't like the way G&B blew it off.

Guess we should have left a note. Again, our bad.

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/3194/thumbsupag3.jpg seems to convey thumbs up well enough.

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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:32 pm

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ShadowLurker wrote:Gaspar: If MafiaJin is lynched, what do you feel about the fact that CKD who has ambiguous alignment would be taking over?
Better an unknown as director than likely scum.
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:40 pm

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zwetschenwasser wrote:I think it would be hard to figure that one out. What exactly are we trying to convey here?
Thumbs up...a woman driving a car...

The message we're sending is pretty straightforward.
It's really starting to bother me that you're not reading the game

Still content with our zwet vote

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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:37 pm

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Dammit Zorblag. Back to your cave.

elmosaurian... THIS. IS. YOUR. LIFE!

Post 0: Confirm.
Post 1: Cowfrog's post is scummy. But not why.
Post 2: Zwet attacks "make sense" for being "not especially strong, but they're logical". Fencesitting.
Post 3: How to RP?
Post 4: Game mechanics (thread communication)
Post 5: I'm a Yos.
Post 6: Game mechanics (thread communication)
Post 7: Game mechanics (thread communication)
Post 8: Game mechanics (confusing game)
Post 9: Game mechanics (write down the codes!)
Post 10: Game mechanics (alignments)
Post 11: Game mechancis (condorcet vote)
Post 12: Game mechanics (scumhunting)
Post 13: Why vote me + game mechanics (votes)
Post 14: Unsure of MafiaJin (fencesitting) + on-camera comments (curiouskarmadog)
Post 15: Game mechanics (scum kills)
Post 16: I'm not going to defend MafiaJin.
Post 17: DGB question (why bring scum on camera?)
Post 18: On-camera comments (curiouskarmadog)
Post 19: On-camera comments (panzer)
Post 20: On-camera comments (advocates)
Post 21: On-camera comments (advocates)
Post 22: On-camera comments (advocates)
Post 23: On-camera comments (Talilan)
Post 24: On-camera comments (Hewitt)
Post 25: Game mechanics/On-camera comments (choices/Talilan/Hewitt)
Post 26: Game mechanics (tags allowed)

Total posts: 27
Total game-related posts: 24 (I'm subtracting posts 0, 3, and 5)
Game mechanics posts + On-camera comments: 20
PERCENTAGe MECHANICS + CAMERA: 83%


Someone tell me where the scumhunting is in here, I tried but I can't find it.

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BTW, the thumbs up might make them think we were done in this thread.

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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:52 pm

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Why must you look so scummy while zorblog looks so town?

Your whole % thing is crap, and I think you know that. More content is better, posting a lot of posts on game mechaincs is a pro-town act, especally in a game where the game mechanics are so completly useless.

I confirmed 5 days ago. For 2 of those days, I was V/LA, and Elmo has been V/LA for longer then that. In the 3 days I was here, just going by your lists, I count 5 posts discussing people's alignments. Considering that a significant portion of that was pregame anyway, and I think I've contributed a hell of a lot, more then many people who have been here the whole time.

Also, your discription of my post seems delibratly designed to misrepresent me. In post #2, you make a big point of how I "don't explain my vote on cowfrog", and yet you completyl ignore that the entire poitn of my post # 3 was to explain why cowfrog was being scummy there, and just inaccuratly discribe it as "fensesitting on zwet". Did you completly miss the point there, or was that a delibrate misrepresentation?

Argh. So frustrating to be accused of being a "active lurker" considering how much damn time I've been spending on this game.

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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:53 pm

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EBWOP: That third sentance should have read "...especally in a game where the game mechaincs are so compeltly confusing".
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:14 pm

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elmosaurian wrote:Why must you look so scummy while zorblog looks so town?
I'd assume that's because I want to vote you but Troll wants to vote someone else. :D

What I'm making a big deal of is that you haven't scumhunted. A lynch must happen
in this thread
and must occur
on these players
. You have contributed next to nothing in that regard. That's what I'm making a big deal of.

When you confirmed, and how long you've been here, is immaterial. What's important is the vast majority of your posts (demonstrated by the percentage) have avoided looking at players here or offering opinions on players here. I find that scummy and I call active lurking. Give it whatever label you like.
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:15 pm

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^^ PZ, yet again. blarg
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:52 pm

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Mighty Orbots wrote:
elmosaurian wrote:Why must you look so scummy while zorblog looks so town?
I'd assume that's because I want to vote you but Troll wants to vote someone else. :D
No. Troll looks town to me because his game mechanics analysis, his discussion of codes, and his analysis of the on-camera stuff all looks really pro-town and useful to me. You look scummy because you're attacking me for doing game mechanics analysis, discussion of codes, and analysis of on-camera stuff, all of which I believe are pro-town things to do.

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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:34 pm

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Yeah, as I've mentioned before, I don't find elmosaurian scummy, and a lot of that comes from the mechanics discussion.

I'm wondering if we'd be better off sending the KY Krew in to explain the off-camera thought processes (as opposed to the zwet thumbs up picture.) It seems like we need to communicate three things to the on camera thread:

1. That we want Panzer to drive
2. That we're still trying to decide a lynch, so even if we want Panzer to drive, they should wait a while before voting
3. Maybe that the off-camera people want to see a discussion of why a significant portion of the on camera people are suspicious of what seems to be an obvious choice

Sending in the KY Krew would be a more efficient way to handle that (plus it would allow us to send in specific questions that other people may have.)
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:51 am

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Thok wrote:Sending in the KY Krew would be a more efficient way to handle that (plus it would allow us to send in specific questions that other people may have.)
We would need to dictate what exactly he's going to say. Any deviation should be under penalty of death.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:09 am

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Mighty Orbots wrote:BTW, the thumbs up might make them think we were done in this thread.
OK, having my hydra partner apparently be as unaware as zwetschenwasser about what the thumbs up is supposed to signal is irritating. It's right there in both this thread and the on camera thread. It gives a specific signal in this case that we think that we can trust what Locke is saying. The woman driver that I came up with was supposed to reinforce that.
Thok wrote:I'm wondering if we'd be better off sending the KY Krew in to explain the off-camera thought processes (as opposed to the zwet thumbs up picture.) It seems like we need to communicate three things to the on camera thread:

1. That we want Panzer to drive
2. That we're still trying to decide a lynch, so even if we want Panzer to drive, they should wait a while before voting
3. Maybe that the off-camera people want to see a discussion of why a significant portion of the on camera people are suspicious of what seems to be an obvious choice

Sending in the KY Krew would be a more efficient way to handle that (plus it would allow us to send in specific questions that other people may have.)
The first point there should be made clear with the picture. The second should be clear anyhow; we've got a very specific signal for when their discussion should end and hopefully it was reinforced by the "Slow the Flow" soundtrack. The third one is perhaps trickier. I'd like it if that conversation were to result from the picture being put in the thread but I suppose that's probably too much to hope.

It seems to me that the communication with those in the on camera thread via either the soundtrack or the pictures is much more effective if it can be done quickly in reaction to what's being said. We've taken long enough now that the thumbs up reaction isn't going to be as strong as it would have been had it been sent shortly after Talilan asked for our opinion. While it would be nice to make sure that we're sending the message we want to send with the picture I think that it's probably more important that zwetschenwasser be willing to use his judgment and try to keep the turn around down to a much shorter time than this in the future. Of course that means that I want zwetschenwasser to be paying closer attention to what's going on and that might be too much to ask for but it really shouldn't be.

I like using the pictures to answer specific questions as there's more flexibility in them than there is songs I think. The pictures can focus on one particular thing clearly while the songs will almost certainly contain multiple ideas. If we've got songs set up for predictable issues that might come up (like we do now) and have the pictures as a means of answering fairly simple unexpected questions that come up we can use the stuntman to handle anything that gets more complicated. It gets slightly trickier when one or more of our communication jobs is on camera (like next scene) but we can deal with that as we get to it.
GoofballsAndBaloons wrote:We would need to dictate what exactly he's going to say. Any deviation should be under penalty of death.
As long as KY Krew gets the three points that Thok listed across (and whatever else we add before they get sent if we choose to send them) I don't really care how they say it. Stopping the vote from happening, making sure that Val drives and getting those on camera looking at why things have been such a mess there should be easy to do without us having to choose words for KY Krew to say. Sure, we lynch them if they don't do that but if they go in and get the job done in a straightforward way we should be fine so far as what we want to happen.

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