MiteyMouse wrote:1) How do you know that Zorblag would not know this?
2)How do you know that you and he are on "the same side"?
1) I don't.
2) I don't.
As I tried to explain a bit in a previous post, I do buy the idea that the Cojin mistake was concocted. If we assume it was for the moment, the first person that made mention of the idea that it was probably a scum trick was Zorblag.
Let's take the game state at the time and run it through a bit of sanity checking. End of day 1, very close to deadline. Cojin and Mitey are under a fair bit of pressure. Scum come up with the idea to have Cojin make a mistake that would appear to be a pro-town mistake. Why would a Zorblag partner immediately point out the mistake for a trap, then finish off the day by removing the partner? To make himself look more townie? Possibly, but I find it unlikely.
It would have been a stronger play I believe to capitalize on the mistake to push the lynch your way. Now I can be wrong here, maybe Zorblag did contrive it all to make himself look pro-town. However I think that that was unnecessary, and a bit unlikely unlikely.
So that means that right now I am kinda holding him to be town, which means that he is on my side, and he doesn't know it.
Sajin wrote:1)I have a meta for voting people for fence sitting posts and that is a fence sitting post if I ever saw one. If your going to ask peoples opinions about something have one of your own. To not be doing so is keeping your options open and keeping your options open is scummy.
2) But about the post-I was trying to break the game in the towns favor. So if you truly believe I made the mistake then I should be considered town.
If I was lying about the mistake, fine. But since I was called out on the mistake why would I tell my supposed scum partner to do the same thing to get put under scrutiny? What advantage did I seek to gain when I made the mistake intentionally?
So which one are you saying I did?
1) Heh, ok. I never suggested that I didn't have an opinion. I said that my asking was not pointing to me thinking one way or the other. I was withholding it to see what other people said without me influencing them. But whatever, me playing mind games never works out well, so I might as well share it with you since you are all defensive.
Scien wrote:[1] Do you think that mistake and the possibly intentional scum mistake have any connection? [2] Do you think that the earlier mistake was pulled in the same manner as this one? [3] Do you think that somehow the earlier mistake connects Sajin in on the more recent scum ploy?
1) I think the mistake pulled at end of day could very well be related to the mistake you made at start of day. However that connection doesn't necessarily mean that you personally are involved. What I mean by this is that is that the mistake had the same kind of implications there as the end of day Cojin mistake. The mistake eventually could have been seen in a pro-town light. Does that mean the scum saw this and tried to mimic? Does it mean that you are scum, and mimicked it at end of day? Does it mean that the initial mistake was also planned? I don't know the answers to any of them. If you want my opinion there as well, I doubt your mistake was planned. But that doesn't answer if you are scum or not.
2) That kind of depends on some factors. But I already said that I thought it was kind of unlikely that you made the mistake intentionally. BTW, if the chosen did know that they were chosen, would you have broken the game? What would have played out if that was the case?
3) I doubt you were lying about your mistake. However in the process of getting called out, a good majority of the town looked at your perceived motives and concluded that they were most likely townish. That's not a bad outcome for a mistake. Looking at Cojin's mistake, a similar thing was planned to happen. The town was supposed to look at it and say, 'Hmm a scum could not make that mistake, so this dude must not be scum'. Even if your mistake was a true mistake, witnessing the towns reaction to it might have prompted the idea for the second, either from yours or others.
I still would like to hear other people's take my questions.
