Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[Benmage]

back from paintball... why is GIEFF being lynched?

Why does Benmage vote SpyreX instead of jammer?

KMD... we can change the outcome of this vote... Do we prefer SpyreX or GIEFF? I think SpyreX is a better lynch than GIEFF.

So, for now....

unvote, Vote SpyreX

.

Also, How many hours from now to deadline?

Sweet paintball's a blast...get shot in the head alot?
It takes 6 to lynch. I was a single jammer voter for days. Now noone is voting him. Wow.

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

GIEFF (5): Debonair Danny DiPietro, SpyreX, Vi, jammer, SensFan
SpyreX (5): Benmage, GIEFF, Zachrulez, Battle Mage, alexhans
Battle Mage (1): Kmd4390

Not Voting: None

6 to lynch, even at deadline (Sunday, August 30 at midnight Eastern Time -- a bit over 3 hours from now)

[Zachrulez]

I'd like to see KMD cast a vote personally.

Mainly because at this point, anyone else on either bandwagon changing their vote has the deadline as an excuse to escape responsibility.

[Benmage]

FYI i wont be at deadline, or doubt seeing a 9:20EST showing of district 9.

[SpyreX]

In a perfect world, KMD will cast the vote.

However, if it comes down to less-than-perfect I'd rather not have to self-hammer.

So, Zech:

The KMD-Gate aside, what do YOU think about the padding he put on his case that got pished-poshed away, the selfvote / quit threat, and the repetition of the point when the aboves didn't do what he'd hoped?

[Zachrulez]

It's Zach.

Anyway, the self vote / quit threat was really bad, that I will not deny.

As for padding his case, the thing that bothers me about Gieff, which has pretty much been the case for most of the game is the way he makes a case on someone, votes them, and then later on without much explanation he repeats the process on a new player. It's hard to tell if his suspicions are genuine, who he's suspicious of, and who he really wants lynched.

Last statement kinda threw me off. What repetition of the point are you referring to?

[SpyreX]

The fact that after I addressed that it went directly back to "Well, the vote, you see" and didn't even bother addressing anything I said about his contextual rips.

And the one that gets me and I want to make really clear:

His whole I killed camn to rub it in when he immediately came off apologetic and I haven't said a word about that... well, ever.

Thats not just padding its 100% made up.

Sorry about Zech (I have a buddy named Zech but pronounced Zach).

[alexhans]

I'm eating... but playing chicken with the bandwaggons against a nolynch seems fun...

And Im thinking...

[Zachrulez]

To be honest with you Spyrex, right now I'm trying to determine how serious you are about your willingness to self hammer, which also happens to be something that Gieff hasn't offered to do.

Mainly because if you are serious, it becomes a lot more likely that you are actually town, and personally, I'd really like to make that determination before you actually self hammer...

[SpyreX]

That, in and of itself, is kind of a catch-22. You can't be sure I'd do it until I do it and at that point its done and I'm lynched... so

If it comes between that and a nolynch I will. 1-1 isn't bad. However, him flipping scum and them pretty much being forced to kill me tonight (because one should see that this isn't a bus) is a MUCH better 1-1.

[alexhans]

mmm... Im facing the same Z

e

ch dilemma...

let me think...

[Vi]

Really would like to see Spyrex lynched here, really don't want to see a Gieff lynch personally. I don't like the speed of the bandwagon or the people on it.

^^^^^^

Explica por favor

(Is it

Me explica

or

Explicame

? Nobody said my Spanish education was very good...)

[alexhans]

"¿Me explica por favor?" it's "can you explain me, please?"
"Explicame" is imperative. "Explain me".

GIEFF... if we lynched you and you came up town... who would you choose to lynch next if you could decide?

[Zachrulez]

Wagons that build out of nothing to lynch -1 as quickly as Gieff's did are much more likely to have scum on them IMO.

As for the wagon itself.

DDD: Basically wants him lynched for self voting.

Spyrex: Is my preferred lynch as of this 5 minutes.

Vi: I'm wary of.

Jammer: Gave Gieff an Ultimatum in 94 iso which is bothering me. Vote DDD or I'll vote you. Blegh.

Sensfan: Voted, no case, would really like one.

[GIEFF]

I have no idea what you're talking about, Spyrex, or why I should hang.

I am not just flinging accusations around to see what sticks. I am flinging accusations around because it gives me the best chance of catching scum.

My case on Spyrex is not poor.

I would lynch Sensfan.

[Vi]

Wagons that build out of nothing to lynch -1 as quickly as Gieff's did are much more likely to have scum on them IMO.

At the time of your SpyreX vote, the people voting GIEFF on this apparent Miracle-Gro wagon were:
*GIEFF
*DDD
*you

Rrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

As for timewise, GIEFF went to L-1 in 83 posts with SensFan's vote.
SpyreX went to L-1 in 86 posts with alex's vote.
In addition, since your vote on SpyreX the GIEFF wagon has never been larger than the SpyreX wagon.

Got any better excuses?

[GIEFF]

His whole I killed camn to rub it in when he immediately came off apologetic and I haven't said a word about that... well, ever.

Thats not just padding its 100% made up.

You are speaking as if I said it as fact. I did not. I simply noted that it would at least make some sense, because the camn-kill was pretty surprising.




Spy-town would NOT be so certain I am scum.

[GIEFF]

I really hate this game.

[Zachrulez]

Wagons that build out of nothing to lynch -1 as quickly as Gieff's did are much more likely to have scum on them IMO.

At the time of your SpyreX vote, the people voting GIEFF on this apparent Miracle-Gro wagon were:
*GIEFF
*DDD
*you

Rrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

As for timewise, GIEFF went to L-1 in 83 posts with SensFan's vote.
SpyreX went to L-1 in 86 posts with alex's vote.

In addition, since your vote on SpyreX the GIEFF wagon has never been larger than the SpyreX wagon.

Got any better excuses?

Vote Count:

GIEFF (5): Debonair Danny DiPietro, SpyreX, Vi, jammer, SensFan
SpyreX (4): Benmage, GIEFF, Zachrulez, Battle Mage
Battle Mage (1): Kmd4390
jammer (1): alexhans

Not Voting: None

6 to lynch, even at deadline (Sunday, August 30 at midnight Eastern Time)

As lies go, that one is a whopper.

[GIEFF]

Vi pushed a bit too hard here. He went from thinking I am town to voting me and adamantly pushing my lynch very quickly.

[Vi]

Also @alex: What is "explain this to me"?

Me explica este

...

Lo me explica

... I'm not doing a good job with this.

Spy-town would NOT be so certain I am scum.

Evidence is where?

@Zachrulez: Actually, that is correct. My mistake.
That does nothing to invalidate everything else in that post, so again: Got any better excuses?

[GIEFF]

DDD hasn't mentioned me AT ALL recently, votes me simply for the self-vote, and then disappears until the lynch goes through.


Maybe lynch him before sens. I don't know. I do see why Vi could suddenly think I am scum, but his play has been incredibly scummy the last 5-10 pages or so.

[GIEFF]

Spy-town would NOT be so certain I am scum.

Evidence is where?

You said so yourself. Everybody looks scummy in this game. I'm not all that confident about my scum-reads. Why should Spyrex be? Are you? How confident are you that I am scum?

[GIEFF]

Vi, your ego is getting in your way here, if you are town.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD hasn't mentioned me AT ALL recently, votes me simply for the self-vote, and then disappears until the lynch goes through.

Well since I can see absolutely no town benefit to your stupid self-vote and I can see plenty of scum motivation that's about all the reason I needed. Plus your play under the gun has looked alot more like scum than SpyreX's has.