Mini 845 - The Amish Village (Game Over)

[Rosso Carne]

meh, go get a meta.

Mod Votecount 1-6

Artem (1): Red_Dye
Magnus_Orion (2): Herodotus; Claus
Red_Dye (2): Kairyuu; Artem
Herodotus (2): magnus_orion; MiteyMouse
MiteyMouse (1): VP Baltar
Rosso Carne (2): Albert B. Rampage; Nuwen

Not voting (2): Rosso_Carne; le Chat

[Rosso Carne]

kill:nuwen

[Albert B. Rampage]

OH NO NOT NUWEN...she was our mafia godfather...

Now there's no way we can win, we surrender to you, almighty rosso-vig.

[Nuwen]

Bah,

go scum cult SK neighbors

I MEAN TOWN WHOOPS.

Hey Kairyuu, general thoughts on Artem whenever you get back.

[magnus_orion]

That im not acting pro town.

dipshiht

?
I never said you weren't acting pro-town. As of yet I don't have an opinion concerning that.
I said the action of actively hiding information from the town

for the sake of doing so

was anti-town. Or does this mean that you acknowledge the underlined portion of the previous statement as your motivation in the actions the statement was referring to?

[Rosso Carne]

That's a leading/loaded question of which I really don't have an answer.

[Red_Dye]

That im not acting pro town.

dipshiht

?
I never said you weren't acting pro-town. As of yet I don't have an opinion concerning that.
I said the action of actively hiding information from the town

for the sake of doing so

was anti-town. Or does this mean that you acknowledge the underlined portion of the previous statement as your motivation in the actions the statement was referring to?

good question.


quote="Rosso Carne"]That's a leading/loaded question of which I really don't have an answer.[/quote]

good answer.

[Rosso Carne]

That im not acting pro town.

dipshiht

?
I never said you weren't acting pro-town. As of yet I don't have an opinion concerning that.
I said the action of actively hiding information from the town

for the sake of doing so

was anti-town. Or does this mean that you acknowledge the underlined portion of the previous statement as your motivation in the actions the statement was referring to?

good question.


quote="Rosso Carne"]That's a leading/loaded question of which I really don't have an answer.

good answer.[/quote]

bad quoting

[Red_Dye]

That im not acting pro town.

dipshiht

?
I never said you weren't acting pro-town. As of yet I don't have an opinion concerning that.
I said the action of actively hiding information from the town

for the sake of doing so

was anti-town. Or does this mean that you acknowledge the underlined portion of the previous statement as your motivation in the actions the statement was referring to?

good question.

That's a leading/loaded question of which I really don't have an answer.

good answer.

bad quoting

back at you.

[MiteyMouse]

I'm trying to wrap my head around this game. There has been a crazy amount of posting since it started.

MiteyMouse: it's all fun and games until someone shoots out a random vote pages after the RVS ceases. Then people get hurt. Allow me to guess - for the reactions/lulz, right?

It was meant to be a joke/cute being as Hero commented on me not voting yet.

Or we could stick it to The Man (insert your being of choice here if not The Man) and kill him off. I like that idea. Intentionally provocative players irk me in a way that isn't alignment-oriented in the slightest.

I agree entirely with this!

Unvote Vote:Rosso Carne

[Red_Dye]

I'm trying to wrap my head around this game. There has been a crazy amount of posting since it started.

First couple of hours aside I actually feel that this game is moving really slowly. I don't like this cop out.

[Amished]

Rosso has been officially modwarned for insulting another player.

[magnus_orion]

This is not good. Rosso may not be helpful, but I'm not sure if he's town or scum. I don't like this whole lynching based on reasons irrespective of alignment.

[Red_Dye]

This is not good. Rosso may not be helpful, but I'm not sure if he's town or scum. I don't like this whole lynching based on reasons irrespective of alignment.

He's harmless till you put someone at -1.

[Herodotus]

There's something I almost missed.
Artem, in your past playstyle, you would not state that you have a townie read on someone. Why did you make an exception in post 51?

[VP Baltar]

Can we please lynch Mitey Mouse now? Anyone?

[le Chat]

@Red_Dye re 69"Just because I was serious doesn't mean I intended to follow threw on everything I said. Things ca be said with other intents." What was your intent in saying "But its so much easier to get them killed when they can't fight back!" if you were 'out of the RVS?' Kairyuu is correct in saying iso-RedDye-10 makes iso-RedDye-4 look contradictory/out-of-place. I don't understand how your answer in 69 justifies the apparent contradiction because I don't understand your statement's alternate intent.

Seeing how people react to what I said.

I don't really buy this. Does this mean we can do whatever we want, and contradict ourselves, and then say we were laying traps to see how people would react to what we said?

Le Chat

I would approve your "let's all be friends together" proposal. Oh, and I messed up my initial post - By "age" I meant our scumage - how long we had been on MS. Ooops :-(

Anyway, your post 98 was more tangled than a kitten's wool ball (thanks for the links, though!). Who do you suspect right now, and why?

I suspect Red Dye, Albert B Rampage, and Mitey Mouse.

Red Dye because of [see above]. Albert B Rampage because I really don't feel like I have a good grasp on him yet everyone else is simply leaving him alone or giving him brownie townie points, and all I've seen him do is vote jump or say stuff like "what is going on." Also, Claus, can I be your friend so I can have brownie townie points?

Mitey Mouse because of a really late joke vote when we're not in the RVS anymore that looks like he doesn't want to put down any opinions to paper, and then he follows Nuwen/ABR and votes Rosso for being a mean penguin. Mean people aren't always scum, and it looks like in both of these fashions he is taking the easy way out.

Ok, wtf at le Chat's post in 98. He goes from nothing to comment on to mega post of crap I don't want to read and ultimately says very little.

I agree with your opinion that these 3 pages have been... bad(I guess I'll call it?). But I didn't like them because I felt it made it really, really hard for me to attribute opinions/posts to their specific username/avatar.

That's odd considering it was all of three pages and roughly four players. You also don't seem to have any problem keeping it straight in post 98 after several more players have joined the game.

I said there was nothing to comment on, and then Claus chided me for it and said that it is suspicious that I didn't even attempt to find points of discussion in all their posts. So I didn't want to look suspicious / be worthless, so I did attempt to comment and discuss them.

I don't really get the second comment. Another read helped me put sayings to faces/names.

@Artem re 51: If he had said "How do you know I'm a townie," but then further stated "mafia know who the townies are, so if you are mafia, you would know." Do you think that's still indicative of pro-scum thought-processes?

I'm not sure what other direction you can take "How do you know I'm a townie" if not "only mafia have perfect alignment information". I suppose there are pro-town roles that know other players' alignment, but "How do you know I'm a townie" is rarely used for role-fishing. It is most often used as an implicit attack on somebody.

All that set aside, the point was that magnus

didn't

make this argument, which means that my appeal to his point of view was natural to him, which, to me, suggests that he's pro-town.

You present a hypothetical situation and then ask me what my read would be? Why are we talking about something that didn't happen, because the only other line of relevancy is Nuwen making that argument against Claus. Are you setting up a hypothetical situation so that you can then argue with me that no, "How do you know I'm a townie" is not pro-scum thinking, thus implicitly defending Nuwen?

first, you quoted me as ie chat, like internet explorer chatroom, when i am le chat, like a cat, like in your avatar, like in my avatar. though i guess my avatar could look like a chatroom too.

second, no sorry. i asked the question because if you had asked it to me i would have responded with the "how do you specifically know / can you assume im a townie unless you're mafia" but he didn't, and you said it was town of him, and i was wondering if you would have found my response scummy. that's the hypothetical. didn't mean to do anything with nuwen.

Can we please lynch Mitey Mouse now? Anyone?

yes.

vote: Mitey Mouse

[MiteyMouse]

My play on Day 1 always stinks. I'm all but useless on Day 1...I know this and anyone that has played with me knows this. That is why I replace in after Day 1 in most games. I'm working on it bt, apparently I have a slow learning curve for Day 1...hehheeh! My vote for Hero was a joke and I'm not going to deny that. That being said, I'm not going to jump up and down and fight my lynch...the Town will gain information from it and my role is not all that important.

Oh and MiteyMouse is a she!

[le Chat]

uhh i dont really know how to respond to that

[Nuwen]

That's a terrible post, MM, for someone of ANY alignment. You've played in enough games that you should know full well that scuminess is sink or swim, and doing something to intentionally draw attention or behave in a visibly scummy way

will

get you lynched. Trying to plead personal meta will not trump the necessity of keeping the site meta squeaky clean: lynching players for behaving scummily is a fundamental component of mafia.

[Rosso Carne]

This is not good. Rosso may not be helpful, but I'm not sure if he's town or scum. I don't like this whole lynching based on reasons irrespective of alignment.

He's harmless till you put someone at -1.

Truth

That is my mantra.

[VP Baltar]

That's a terrible post, MM, for someone of ANY alignment. You've played in enough games that you should know full well that scuminess is sink or swim, and doing something to intentionally draw attention or behave in a visibly scummy way

will

get you lynched. Trying to plead personal meta will not trump the necessity of keeping the site meta squeaky clean: lynching players for behaving scummily is a fundamental component of mafia.

And at what point do you plan on taking some action toward this?

[Rosso Carne]

@Red_Dye re 69"Just because I was serious doesn't mean I intended to follow threw on everything I said. Things ca be said with other intents." What was your intent in saying "But its so much easier to get them killed when they can't fight back!" if you were 'out of the RVS?' Kairyuu is correct in saying iso-RedDye-10 makes iso-RedDye-4 look contradictory/out-of-place. I don't understand how your answer in 69 justifies the apparent contradiction because I don't understand your statement's alternate intent.

Seeing how people react to what I said.

I don't really buy this. Does this mean we can do whatever we want, and contradict ourselves, and then say we were laying traps to see how people would react to what we said?

Le Chat

I would approve your "let's all be friends together" proposal. Oh, and I messed up my initial post - By "age" I meant our scumage - how long we had been on MS. Ooops

Anyway, your post 98 was more tangled than a kitten's wool ball (thanks for the links, though!). Who do you suspect right now, and why?

I suspect Red Dye, Albert B Rampage, and Mitey Mouse.

Red Dye because of [see above]. Albert B Rampage because I really don't feel like I have a good grasp on him yet everyone else is simply leaving him alone or giving him brownie townie points, and all I've seen him do is vote jump or say stuff like "what is going on." Also, Claus, can I be your friend so I can have brownie townie points?

Mitey Mouse because of a really late joke vote when we're not in the RVS anymore that looks like he doesn't want to put down any opinions to paper, and then he follows Nuwen/ABR and votes Rosso for being a mean penguin. Mean people aren't always scum, and it looks like in both of these fashions he is taking the easy way out.

Ok, wtf at le Chat's post in 98. He goes from nothing to comment on to mega post of crap I don't want to read and ultimately says very little.

I agree with your opinion that these 3 pages have been... bad(I guess I'll call it?). But I didn't like them because I felt it made it really, really hard for me to attribute opinions/posts to their specific username/avatar.

That's odd considering it was all of three pages and roughly four players. You also don't seem to have any problem keeping it straight in post 98 after several more players have joined the game.

I said there was nothing to comment on, and then Claus chided me for it and said that it is suspicious that I didn't even attempt to find points of discussion in all their posts. So I didn't want to look suspicious / be worthless, so I did attempt to comment and discuss them.

I don't really get the second comment. Another read helped me put sayings to faces/names.

@Artem re 51: If he had said "How do you know I'm a townie," but then further stated "mafia know who the townies are, so if you are mafia, you would know." Do you think that's still indicative of pro-scum thought-processes?

I'm not sure what other direction you can take "How do you know I'm a townie" if not "only mafia have perfect alignment information". I suppose there are pro-town roles that know other players' alignment, but "How do you know I'm a townie" is rarely used for role-fishing. It is most often used as an implicit attack on somebody.

All that set aside, the point was that magnus

didn't

make this argument, which means that my appeal to his point of view was natural to him, which, to me, suggests that he's pro-town.

You present a hypothetical situation and then ask me what my read would be? Why are we talking about something that didn't happen, because the only other line of relevancy is Nuwen making that argument against Claus. Are you setting up a hypothetical situation so that you can then argue with me that no, "How do you know I'm a townie" is not pro-scum thinking, thus implicitly defending Nuwen?

first, you quoted me as ie chat, like internet explorer chatroom, when i am le chat, like a cat, like in your avatar, like in my avatar. though i guess my avatar could look like a chatroom too.

second, no sorry. i asked the question because if you had asked it to me i would have responded with the "how do you specifically know / can you assume im a townie unless you're mafia" but he didn't, and you said it was town of him, and i was wondering if you would have found my response scummy. that's the hypothetical. didn't mean to do anything with nuwen.

Can we please lynch Mitey Mouse now? Anyone?

yes.

vote: Mitey Mouse

In response to the first part of this:

Absolutely, yes, terrific. If mafia werent about trickery on both sides, then why not just have the town massclaim at the beginning of every game? Would the town always win?

Nope.

The idea is to lay these kinds of traps in order to read peoples emotions. There are a few games where you can read someone based on the absolute outlandishness of their role, but these ouitlandish roles usually happen in large games, where a large amount of stupid power roles exist, diminishing the effect.

It works the exact same way with emotions, its just fine to say something and rescind it later. The art of mafia lies in the ability to read if these rescindments and propositions are in fact plausible, or if they probably point to scum behavior.

I could write a treatise on this, but it ought to wait till after the game.

[Rosso Carne]

After that horrid post, I could get on the tail end of a mighty mouse wagon and probably drop my others.

[Nuwen]

That's a terrible post, MM, for someone of ANY alignment. You've played in enough games that you should know full well that scuminess is sink or swim, and doing something to intentionally draw attention or behave in a visibly scummy way

will

get you lynched. Trying to plead personal meta will not trump the necessity of keeping the site meta squeaky clean: lynching players for behaving scummily is a fundamental component of mafia.

And at what point do you plan on taking some action toward this?

for someone of ANY alignment

of ANY alignment

ANY alignment

Are you really trying to goad a non-alignment-specific policy lynch?