Mini 845 - The Amish Village (Game Over)

[Rosso Carne]

MM is scummier than him? I agree. MM is far more scummier than him? No. BTW, "Extending the RVS" is a useless complication - the case on MM is that she is not contributing, just like Rosso (a bit worse).

Rosso has limited his opinions to two players, and has not backed up his opinions with votes. He may say "I like to hammer" until he gets blue, I will hold this against him.

Nuwen contradictory stance can be explained by A. She is scum with MM, or B. MM is not abusive. Since A requires info I don't have (alignment of MM), I'll go with B for now. As for her disappearance, her last post was friday - I would wait for the weekend to end before saying anything.

Also, what is your opinion on Le Chat? Newbie scum?

Meh trust me, if my hammah targets get to L-1, you can be sure that 1 will be a 0 soon enough.

Mod Votecount 1-9

Artem (1): Red_Dye
Magnus_Orion (1): Herodotus
Red_Dye (2): Kairyuu; Claus
Herodotus (1): magnus_orion
MiteyMouse (3): VP Baltar; le Chat; Artem
Rosso Carne (3): Albert B. Rampage; Nuwen; MiteyMouse

Not voting (1): Rosso_Carne

[Rosso Carne]

I also have decided that magnus is town.

[Herodotus]

I'd like to hear Red Dye's opinions.
Red ISO 21 and 22:
What he said here is true, but it could also be taken as an excuse to lie.
Most of his posts in the past week have not been useful. He's taking credit for getting reactions, but has no opinion on the reactions. Now that Kairyuu has posted, his reason in ISO 29 no longer applies.

Rosso Carne:
Slightly scummy, but a mostly neutral read. I can't imagine regretting a Rosso lynch. However, it looks like now that there is a wagon on him, he is posting opinions. For now, that's good enough for me. If he were to disappear, or stop the trickle of content, I would vote/hammer him.

Mitey:
Even if you tend to be inactive on day 1's, you can do better than this.
You've said almost nothing, and that is not consistent with the town meta I have of you.

I'm satisfied with Magnus's answers to the questions I asked.

unvote

[Claus]

Hero:
- So I take from your post that you're suspicious of Red and MM? How suspicious of each?
- Opinions on Le Chat? Read my most recent opinion on him (Rosso just quoted it last page) and agree/disagree, please?

[Rosso Carne]

I'd like to hear Red Dye's opinions.
Red ISO 21 and 22:
What he said here is true, but it could also be taken as an excuse to lie.
Most of his posts in the past week have not been useful. He's taking credit for getting reactions, but has no opinion on the reactions. Now that Kairyuu has posted, his reason in ISO 29 no longer applies.

Rosso Carne:
Slightly scummy, but a mostly neutral read. I can't imagine regretting a Rosso lynch. However, it looks like now that there is a wagon on him, he is posting opinions. For now, that's good enough for me. If he were to disappear, or stop the trickle of content, I would vote/hammer him.

Mitey:
Even if you tend to be inactive on day 1's, you can do better than this.
You've said almost nothing, and that is not consistent with the town meta I have of you.

I'm satisfied with Magnus's answers to the questions I asked.

unvote

My posting of opinions is less because of wagon pressure and more becasue it is beneficial to the town that I do so. Caving due to wagon pressure ought to be about #3 on the scum marker scale {which translates to high probability}

[Artem]

Scratch that. new plan:
I want everyone to state their exact feelings on rosso ie, how scummy he is, whether he should be lynched or not, and if so, whether its because he's scum or he's annoying. I want everyone to answer, no exceptions (save rosso) My feelings are in the previous post.

Based on this game alone, I'm actually leaning towards mild scum on Rosso. That is because it's easy to keep an asshole attitude and pretend that you have all these reads that you'll reveal in time. It's a great cover-up for not doing any work.

The question for those that played with Rosso before: does he always play like he does in this game or has it been alignment-dependent?

Question for MM: I want you to give interesting opinions on at least 3 players.

Seconded.

@MM: Also, can you explain what happens on Day 2 that makes you a much better player that doesn't exist on Day 1?

[Rosso Carne]

I'll make that one easy, int hat I dont beleive I've played with anyone here.

If im wrong feel free to correct me.

[Artem]

I'll make that one easy, int hat I dont beleive I've played with anyone here.

If im wrong feel free to correct me.

Well, that's interesting, because the following posts definitely gave me a feel that people know you:

Expecting more from rosso is futile.

The thing you need to understand about rosso is that he -really- likes to hammer people. Hes unlikely to vote unless its the hammer.

Oh dear baby Buddha, I didn't know Rosso was like that in forum games too.

[Rosso Carne]

well yeah, I have a rep. I'm old. But as for actually PLAYING in games with me, I dont think anyone ever has.

If you'd like access to the same meta data that people are using, you are free to take a list of my played games.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No one has that kind of time to waste Rosso. Just lynch him already?

[Claus]

Albert, is Le Chat still town Y/N? Why?

Are you still interested in lynching Red Dye? Why is Rosso a superior lynch to Red Dye?

[Red_Dye]

Unvote Vote: Kairyuu

My computer was broken for a couple days. I was posting from a wii in some games, but I wasn't posting much, it takes forever to type with their interface.
Anyway, my computer is working fine now so expect resumed activity. I'm quite certain kairyuu is scum.

On rosso. I'm unsure if I've ever played a game with him, but I've know him over scumchat for many years. I'm quite certain I've read games he was in if I wasn't in any myself.

Finally, this is unrelated to who I find scummy, but I don't like policy lynches. I think townies are just as likely to suggest them as scum, but I think they halp the scum infinetly more. Thinking its ever going to teach them a lesson is foolhearty. If you don't like the way someone plays don't join games they are in.

[magnus_orion]

@red_dye: and your opinion on rosso's play in THIS game is?

[magnus_orion]

I'll make that one easy, int hat I dont beleive I've played with anyone here.

If im wrong feel free to correct me.

ABR?

[Red_Dye]

@red_dye: and your opinion on rosso's play in THIS game is?

Consistent with what I've come to expect of him. At this point I have no scum or town read either way. I thought that was impleid by my posts so far or I would have explicitly stated so.

[magnus_orion]

And you don't want to lynch him at this point then?

[Red_Dye]

And you don't want to lynch him at this point then?

Hes not the last person I'd want to lynch, but hes far from leading the pack. As I said I don't really have a read on him atm.

[Artem]

If you'd like access to the same meta data that people are using, you are free to take a list of my played games.

If you post links, I'll look through them, but I would really like to not wade through pages of Google results.

I also think that a scum-buddy could be covering up for your playstyle with "he's always like that", especially since it's not from a first-hand experience. Not an avenue that's worthwhile to pursue right now, but definitely worth remembering in case you or Red_eye (or Nuwen to a lesser extent) flip scum.

I'm quite certain kairyuu is scum.

Why?

[Red_Dye]

If you'd like access to the same meta data that people are using, you are free to take a list of my played games.

If you post links, I'll look through them, but I would really like to not wade through pages of Google results.

I also think that a scum-buddy could be covering up for your playstyle with "he's always like that", especially since it's not from a first-hand experience. Not an avenue that's worthwhile to pursue right now, but definitely worth remembering in case you or Red_eye (or Nuwen to a lesser extent) flip scum.

I'm quite certain kairyuu is scum.

Why?

A very quick look shows our only overlap on this site to be when rosso replaced me once. But I've played a lot of chat games with him, and I know I've read at least some forum games with him in them. Kairyuu is scum because kairyuu is scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

O.K. I'm going to read through this one more time and see things from a fresh perspective.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote

[Kairyuu]

I'm quite certain kairyuu is scum.

Why?

Kairyuu is scum because kairyuu is scum.

How absolutely NOT helpful. Or is this you admitting that it's pure OMGUS?

I'll get to anything else I still need to address tomorrow.

[Red_Dye]

I'm quite certain kairyuu is scum.

Why?

Kairyuu is scum because kairyuu is scum.

How absolutely NOT helpful. Or is this you admitting that it's pure OMGUS?

I'll get to anything else I still need to address tomorrow.

It has nothing at all to do with you finding me scummy.

[Amished]

Poking MiteyMouse as the weekend is over. Not counted as an official prod

[Herodotus]

@Claus:
My suspicion of Red Dye is about 30% of the way from No Read to Definite Scum. I got the impression from his early posts that he wanted to get action going in order to scumhunt, which looked protown; but his attitude after that looks to me like "there are posts there, go ahead and analyze them, town." If he's town, this is not helpful. And I've seen scum say essentially the same thing.
I'll cover Mitey in a separate post.

You wrote your most recent opinion of le Chat on the last page... I don't know why you'd point to Rosso's quoting of it. Anyways, looking at le Chat's posts, he obviously has a tendency to agree with people, and to repeat what others have said. And he's pointing it out pretty often, too. I think there could be a lot to gain from seeing how he responds now that you've pointed this out, especially if you are town.