Mini 844 - P-p-plain! - Over

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Isn't the deadline for lynching over?

[Rosso Carne]

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[KaleiÐoscøpe]

oh, rite rite

Who should we lynch Rosso... it's been so long since blood and stuff

[Rosso Carne]

well i put a question out. its helping me formulate my idea. you should answer it.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

what question?

[Rosso Carne]

read page 9

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I did
I'm stupid

[Rosso Carne]

ORLY?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Yes

[CoCo]

You read it or you are the vig?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Neither

[Plum]

Raivann as scum

I do not like the Raivann vote. I am pretty sure he is town, based on the fact that KMDscum was heavily bussing Pomegranate. WIFOM, but I do not think that KMDscum would bus both Godfather and other scum partner.

Going to go back and do a quick re-read.

Then again I've seen Kmd bring up a mini game where his scumbuddy LlamaFluff bussed both him (Kmd-scum) and their other buddy Days 1 and 2 to a win. Having Raivann as an early third suspect would not be out of the question at all. You'll see that most of the pressure on Raivann from Kmd drops off as he continues bussing Pom hard.

Raivann jumps the Kyliee wagon Kmd starts in the RVS for little reason and switches to the Kmd wagon also with little reason other than that he likes bandwagons because they can be usd to gauge reactions and voting patterns. Furthermore I think she tries to create an artificial 'connection' between Kmd and myself, especially where she suggests that I was doing something along the lines of coaching him where she admits there was no evidence.

@Raivann

I'd still like to know if you can give some sort of quantification in your statement in Post 81. Later Raivann claims that he voted Kmd for the apparent trap-like setup of Kmd's RVS call for bandwagon. Question: why didn't you vote at that point? It seems that possibly you waited until a wagon started to form on Kmd before you were willing to act on your suspicions, instead keeping your RVS vote where it was. Expound please?

But Pom's play with Raivann makes it seem less likely that they're buddies as well. Raivann was acting legitimately shady, and Pom has a big post calling her out for that. Now I'm going to have to go reread her stuff as well to see how her stated suspicions evolved to see if Raivann make sense as a scumbuddy with her and Kmd.

Him, Pom tries to link Raivann with Kmd in her post where she FOS' him.

Raivann doesn't explain his CoCo suspicions when asked to, though, not fully, and then it comes out that he suspects CoCo because he's voting Alm, on whom he has a town read, which is bad as pure policy.

Kmd tried to link Pom to Raiv. All right, conclusion here is that Raiv

as scumbuddy

isn't very likely and there should be better suspects for that out there. SK would be another story.

Konowa, however, basically ignores the Kmd-suspicion-wagon when he with it in full force, limiting his comments to sparring with people who either aren't voting him but have him as a top suspect (Lew) or vow to vote him at L-2 (Scope).

Rosso, how strongly do you or do you not suspect me?

Raivann's SK-Scope comment seems to further suggest to me Raivann-SK, partly because I do think he's scummy already, even if interactions with Kmd and Pom make him unlikely Mafia.

I'm not a Vig, for the record.

Vaguely suspecting Konowa and Raivann at the moment. Scumbuddy-wise, I think early bussing of Kmd was unlikely - in fact Konowa, from a purely votecount-record-plus-gut-that--and-early-bus-did-not-take-place-plus-town-got-on-Scope-and-Rosso make Konowa a pretty decent bet.

Vote:Konowa

Isolation read pending; dead Pom wants to use the compuet in a minute so it won't happen right now.

FOS: Raivann

. I too await the hypothetical Vig.

Rereading make me realize how hard I fail when I don't have enough time to do adequate reading. So many more things would have gotten my attention. Pathetic.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Funny how you talk about Raivann whole this post, but end up voting Konowa.

[Rosso Carne]

[quote="KaleiÃ

[Rosso Carne]

Raivann as scum

I do not like the Raivann vote. I am pretty sure he is town, based on the fact that KMDscum was heavily bussing Pomegranate. WIFOM, but I do not think that KMDscum would bus both Godfather and other scum partner.

Going to go back and do a quick re-read.

Then again I've seen Kmd bring up a mini game where his scumbuddy LlamaFluff bussed both him (Kmd-scum) and their other buddy Days 1 and 2 to a win. Having Raivann as an early third suspect would not be out of the question at all. You'll see that most of the pressure on Raivann from Kmd drops off as he continues bussing Pom hard.

Raivann jumps the Kyliee wagon Kmd starts in the RVS for little reason and switches to the Kmd wagon also with little reason other than that he likes bandwagons because they can be usd to gauge reactions and voting patterns. Furthermore I think she tries to create an artificial 'connection' between Kmd and myself, especially where she suggests that I was doing something along the lines of coaching him where she admits there was no evidence.

@Raivann

I'd still like to know if you can give some sort of quantification in your statement in Post 81. Later Raivann claims that he voted Kmd for the apparent trap-like setup of Kmd's RVS call for bandwagon. Question: why didn't you vote at that point? It seems that possibly you waited until a wagon started to form on Kmd before you were willing to act on your suspicions, instead keeping your RVS vote where it was. Expound please?

But Pom's play with Raivann makes it seem less likely that they're buddies as well. Raivann was acting legitimately shady, and Pom has a big post calling her out for that. Now I'm going to have to go reread her stuff as well to see how her stated suspicions evolved to see if Raivann make sense as a scumbuddy with her and Kmd.

Him, Pom tries to link Raivann with Kmd in her post where she FOS' him.

Raivann doesn't explain his CoCo suspicions when asked to, though, not fully, and then it comes out that he suspects CoCo because he's voting Alm, on whom he has a town read, which is bad as pure policy.

Kmd tried to link Pom to Raiv. All right, conclusion here is that Raiv

as scumbuddy

isn't very likely and there should be better suspects for that out there. SK would be another story.

Konowa, however, basically ignores the Kmd-suspicion-wagon when he with it in full force, limiting his comments to sparring with people who either aren't voting him but have him as a top suspect (Lew) or vow to vote him at L-2 (Scope).

Rosso, how strongly do you or do you not suspect me?

Raivann's SK-Scope comment seems to further suggest to me Raivann-SK, partly because I do think he's scummy already, even if interactions with Kmd and Pom make him unlikely Mafia.

I'm not a Vig, for the record.

Vaguely suspecting Konowa and Raivann at the moment. Scumbuddy-wise, I think early bussing of Kmd was unlikely - in fact Konowa, from a purely votecount-record-plus-gut-that--and-early-bus-did-not-take-place-plus-town-got-on-Scope-and-Rosso make Konowa a pretty decent bet.

Vote:Konowa

Isolation read pending; dead Pom wants to use the compuet in a minute so it won't happen right now.

FOS: Raivann

. I too await the hypothetical Vig.

Rereading make me realize how hard I fail when I don't have enough time to do adequate reading. So many more things would have gotten my attention. Pathetic.

are you scum?

[Raivann]

Question: why didn't you vote at that point? It seems that possibly you waited until a wagon started to form on Kmd before you were willing to act on your suspicions, instead keeping your RVS vote where it was. Expound please?

There were no votes for Kmd between my 2 posts that you're talking about. So no, I wasn't waiting for wagon to form.

[Plum]

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[xofelf]

Rosso you've got a point there. But I'm wondering a couple things here. 1) How did the GF get killed? 2)How is that both masons got killed rather than just 1?
The reason i'm wondering the second is because i sent in the kill for Alm. Is it possible that when one gets killed, they both die? In which case, did scum kill the GF? or does someone else have a kill role and killed pom and lew was killed by scum?
Honestly, how the hell that happened, i don't know. It barely makes sense to me. Any enlightenment would be wondrous.

[CoCo]

I'm not excluding the possibility the Masons had a clause saying if one died they both died.

[Konowa]

Just to clarify, xofelf, you are claiming vig, correct?

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@Mod: Can we get a prod on Keelie?

[Rosso Carne]

Rosso you've got a point there. But I'm wondering a couple things here. 1) How did the GF get killed? 2)How is that both masons got killed rather than just 1?
The reason i'm wondering the second is because i sent in the kill for Alm. Is it possible that when one gets killed, they both die? In which case, did scum kill the GF? or does someone else have a kill role and killed pom and lew was killed by scum?
Honestly, how the hell that happened, i don't know. It barely makes sense to me. Any enlightenment would be wondrous.

Mmk, so, from what I can tell, there are a few options to what happened last night.

1) scum team kill, vig kill (from xo), some other party kill (another baddie party, another vig, lord knows)
2) mason lovers {as coco said, highly unlikely, esp as the rolename doesnt really account for this, but im not going to count it out}
3) double vig kill and scum team kill {probably reputiated from xo's lack of mention of a second kill}

Thus, the most likely answer is (1). Rounding out simple numbers, I am going to assume that under choice (1) above, there is thus a vig, 2 scum, and some other killing party {probably singular} as there isnt much room for a 3rd scum in a mini.

Follow up on this everyone, xo especially.

[Konowa]

Option one was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the day scene. I am assuming, however, that there is a still a third mafia scum, along with a SK, creeping out there.

I would support a CoCo, Plum, or Keelie wagon at the moment.

Rosso, who would you hammah at the moment?

[Raivann]

1) scum team kill, vig kill (from xo), some other party kill (

another baddie party

, another vig, lord knows)

There would have to be another baddie if there was only 2 on scumteam.
Maybe there is 1 more scum out there and a Sk and Vig.
Here's what I'm thinking...
Scum= Plum
SK= Scope
Vig= xo

Why Alm xo? He was first to call out Kmd on his scummyness.

[Konowa]

Why Alm xo? He was first to call out Kmd on his scummyness.

Oi. I thought I had asked this earlier, but it looks like I did not. I second this question as I do not understand the shot.

Al: He(or is it a she? >.<) seems to be very obsessed with "looking or seeming" town and town-reads rather than trying to focus on finding the scum and doing what is best for the town.. more so of save your own ass mentality. Not sure where that puts him yet.. i'll get back to that at a later point.

Rai: Personally i see his progression of posts going from a "side with my buddy" to a "OHSHIT... maybe they'll notice i'm scum.. um.. better switch and attack him to clear my name" kinda thing.. so

FoS: Rai

i think you're scummy, but not the worst of them.

xofelf, between the reads you gave, what made your choose Almaster over Raivann?

[CoCo]

Konowa, why are you voting me and/or supporting a wagon on me? What have I done that makes me scummy?

You've voted and said twice you'd support a wagon on me, but have not made a case.