I am not fully caught up yet but I have had a full read through just now and I've observed something interesting.
EL on the ML case and wagon...:
139 - "Regardless, Ecto/Jordan/Monkey are all lynches I would be okay with if we were to hit the deadline right now seeing how as none of the cases are particularly strong. Still, given the choice I'd take Monkey over Jordan over Ecto."
145 - "Because in relation to anything I've been able to build myself, your case looks very powerful indeed."
147 - "I would prefer not to allow deflection to occur. The focus should be on Monkey, Jordan, and yourself for the moment."
166 - Votes for DDD for putting Monkey at L-1.
173 - "You're very careful with your wording DDD, you weren't just voting, you were setting someone up to be hammered. There is a scary amount of finality and certainty to that given your lack of recent posting.
This is a good question Macavity, one I've been asking myself, actually. I suppose I'd like to hear more from DDD before hearing a roleclaim from Monkey.
I was kind of on the same boat as Snix, just waiting for someone to do something that I legitimately identify as scummy. Ecto and Monkey are both definitely still on my radar, but I can't pin them down beyond cases that make way too much inference."
194 - "That said, I was never too particularly attached to the case against Monkey and spent most of my time trying to understand exactly what the case against Ecto was rather than pursue Monkey directly, though I think the Ecto/Monkey debate certainly deserves the great deal of scrutiny you've provided knits. I think, out of my strategy, we got several interesting dodges from Monkey which led me to believe it was a case full of hot air -- possibly scummy hot air."
196 - If the majority of town feels that they're ready to choose Monkey, I'm alright with that choice, I feel that he's slipped up enough to warrant a lynch...... I don't understand why everyone seems to eager to hold a guy at L-1 to force a roleclaim when we have posters who haven't posted since page 1."
197 - "I do think the cases against Monkey and Ecto are weak, the slip ups that have occurred during discourse, however, put Monkey in a very bad light for me."
203 - revotes MM. claims "everyone" wants to see a roleclaim
205 - requests claim.
Let me summarize some of that...
139 - All cases are weak, Monkey is best.
145 - Monkey case is very powerful (compared to nothing?)
147 - Please focus on monkey/jordan
166 - DDD is suspect for voting for monkey
173 - Not ready for a monkey roleclaim, case is not legitimately scummy, based too much on inference
194 - Not particularly attached to the case on Monkey, full of hot air, possibly scummy
196 - Too early to force a roleclaim, despite what "everyone" says
197 - the case is weak
203 - "everyone" wants a roleclaim, so votes Monkey.
205 - requests claim.
I do not see what changed between 196 and 203. At all. In 196 he didn't see why "everyone" wants Monkey at L-1 and forced to claim. A few posts later he did exactly that. None of the people he was missing had spoken up.
Looks like he wanted to force a totally unnecessary roleclaim but was looking for cover by claiming it was what "everyone" wanted. If that was true, his 'reluctant' vote wouldn't be necessary. I think forcing the claim then was a blatantly anti-town move, and trying to avoid responsibility for it just makes EL look worse.
Vote: Eldritch Lord
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elvis_knits wrote:@ekiM, there pretty much was a consensus that MM would be lynched at that point, at least that is what I thought. Otherwise so many people wouldn't have been voting for him! He was L-1 and I was thinking about voting him. Perfect time to claim.
People were voting him, but it was an early game wagon and some people on it hadn't spoken in a while. How were you so sure there was a "consensus" there? Why force the claim without seeing responses to him being back at L-1?
Did you notice EL's sudden shift of stance I catalogue above? What do you make of it?
I still want Snix to answer this:
ekiM wrote:Snix wrote:Your question was "Jordan seemed to shut up after you stated that he made a newb mistake, experienced scum hushing up the less experienced?" I'm not sure what you were expecting Ecto to say here. That is, how else can someone answer that other than with a yes or a no? Seriously loaded question.
I wasn't looking for a yes or a no in particular, just a real response.
Please give an example of a response you would expect a townie to give to that horribly loaded question.
It strikes me that asking loaded questions isn't very pro-town behavior. It's not designed to determine alignment, it's designed to make the subject look bad no matter what their alignment.