Open 170 - Bird C9 (Game Over)

[hohum]

This is a tiny game with 7 people in it. I would be concerned about an L-1 wagon if there were say, 9 or 12 people here but there aren't.

So in other words you'd be fine with lynching off a possible town-aligned player at L1 right now? Leaving us at L-or-L D2? Okay.

If it outs scum, absolutely. I'll trade a townie for scum any day in any circumstances.

It's true that by design we only get one mislynch; however, you have to remember that lynching scum gives us an EXTRA mislynch.

[hohum]

EBWOP: gives us an extra mislynch and narrows the pool of suspects.

[Toro]

This is a tiny game with 7 people in it. I would be concerned about an L-1 wagon if there were say, 9 or 12 people here but there aren't.

So in other words you'd be fine with lynching off a possible town-aligned player at L1 right now? Leaving us at L-or-L D2? Okay.

If it outs scum, absolutely. I'll trade a townie for scum any day in any circumstances.

It's true that by design we only get one mislynch; however, you have to remember that lynching scum gives us an EXTRA mislynch.

True.

[Snix]

Netlava, to put someone at L-1 on page one is pretty bad. It could have been a mistake or not. The fact that you unvoted soon after makes me think it was a mistake.

Yeah, your "wow" post seems to reflect this. But why didn't you unvote when you saw the L-1?

Didn't think of it. It was a quick on quick off type of thing.

[Netlava]

Ok, whatever.

Vote: Slepz

He's giving me a scumvibe.

[Toro]

Just a vibe?

[Netlava]

That's all I need for a lynch, really.

[Toro]

After Open 167 Netlava, yeah, I can tell.

[Yankee]

Now that you mention it, Slepz was very active at the start of the game, but hasnt posted since page one....

[Kdub]

Slepz has been prodded.

Vote Count

Yankee (0)

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Slepz (1)

- Netlava

hohum (0)

-

Snix (0)

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Netlava (1)

- Eldritch Lord

Toro (1)

- Slepz

Eldritch Lord (1)

- hohum

No Lynch (0)

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Not Voting (3)

- Toro, Snix, Yankee

7 players alive, 4 votes needed to lynch

Deadline: October 10, ~8:00 pm Pacific

[Slepz]

Sorry for not posting; still don't have time to actually respond to anything. Soon, though, soon.

[hohum]

I feel as if there's too many of us waiting for something to happen. If you have a power role please don't play conservatively as there's no advantage to doing so in this setup and it makes it more difficult to tell you apart from the scum.

Let's go and post people.

Since this thread is almost entirely devoid of content:

Unvote, Vote Toro

for this post:

After Open 167 Netlava, yeah, I can tell.

You seem to have an allergy to scum hunting.

[Eldritch Lord]

If you have a power role please don't play conservatively as there's no advantage to doing so in this setup and it makes it more difficult to tell you apart from the scum.

Fishing for a power role? Seems like it. It'd be really nice for scum if someone just conveniently started posting more often after that comment, wouldn't it?

Unvote

Vote: Hohum

[Snix]

Hohum, if you're town you don't seem to be doing very well at it and if you're scum you seem to be worse.

L-1 on page one is never a good idea, especially since when random voting some people don't read first. If EL would have been lynched page one it would not have definitively outed scum. Nor would town want such a quick day. It gives us little information to go on day 2 or day 3.

[hohum]

Snix: you're wrong.

[Eldritch Lord]

Snix: you're wrong.

How so? He's absolutely correct, many people don't read before random voting. The hammer does not in any way suggest absolute proof of scumhood in such a scenario, and failure to recognize this concept could result in losing the game on D2. Especially with players asking what LyLo is. Irresponsible hohum.

If your reasoning were correct hohum, every Day 1 would boil down to waiting for a scum to hammer, games would never go anywhere. Scumhunting involves a prolonged Day 1 and is the only viable Day 1 strategy.

[hohum]

just because you're careless and don't read doesn't mean everyone else is. If you're going to plop a vote down without considering the ramifications of your action you deserve to be mislynched, and I would put the blame for a loss in a setup like this squarely on your shoulders.

The notion that simply waiting for a mislynch to occur would net scum every time is ridiculous and you're stretching to make an argument.

[hohum]

To further my point, the notion that I'm role fishing is also ridiculous and if either of you would bother to try and think ahead you'd realize that math in this case is NOT on the town's side. They have a pool of 5 (not 7) to chose from and pegging off power roles based on playstyle is a viable scum strategy. In order for a PR to be useful in THIS setup they have to play a little more aggressively. Lurking is a sin in this setup.

[Eldritch Lord]

Exactly, waiting for a mislynch won't net scum every time. You're suggesting having a mislynch on page 1 is acceptable because it will net scum, when the fact is having a mislynch on page one won't net scum every time either.

So suggesting that a

mislynch on page 1 is acceptable because you'll catch the scumhammer

is irresponsible and could cause the loss of the game should you extend that reasoning beyond yourself on Day 2 after a page one quickhammer. Long day ones are extremely protown, this isn't even up for debate.

Also, it'd have been stupid to put blame on my shoulders in this scenario since I'm not about to vote for myself. My random vote obviously had no impact on the L-1 page one situation, so I'm not sure what you were getting at there.

Just because you're careless...

Many people don't read before random voting

I never even implied that I didn't read before random voting, I was speaking about others -- like Netlava.

Strawman construction noted.

Even if I had said that I didn't read before random voting, it wouldn't mean that I'm always careless, that's an ad absurdum argument and is completely valueless.

[hohum]

Theory debates usually are valueless, and you're also misrepresenting my position, so think about hypocrisy before you call me out for a strawman attack.

[Eldritch Lord]

To further my point, the notion that I'm role fishing is also ridiculous...

Promoting your own towniness, nice.

that the math in this case is NOT on the town's side. They...

Calling Freudian Slip right here, referring to the town as

they

.

Pegging off power roles based on playstyle is a viable scum strategy[...]in order for PR to be useful in THIS setup they have to play a little more aggressively

So you establish that picking off PRs based on playstyle is a viable scum strategy at this point, and then suggest that the PRs play a certain way. It'd sure make it easier for you to identify them then, especially if they were new to the forum...like Yankee.

[hohum]

god you're an idiot.

[Eldritch Lord]

So in other words you'd be fine with lynching off a possible town-aligned player at L1 right now? Leaving us at L-or-L D2? Okay.

If it outs scum, absolutely. I'll trade a townie for scum any day in any circumstances.

The

if

here is an important part in a smaller game, because if your

if

doesn't turn out to be true, you've lost the game. It's not a very viable strategy in this situation, its not worth the risk.

How exactly am I misrepresenting your position?

[hohum]

I see your play style hasn't improved at all since we played together in one of the older scottish mafia games.

[Eldritch Lord]

god you're an idiot.

Ad hom one-liners aren't earning you any points.