This is incredibly poor. Especially from someone who is in favour of policy lynching me. LolNetopalis wrote:I think what YB is trying to say is that you can't expect her to answer for CSL's actions because she's not CSL - a statement which I agree with. I think her play has been perfectly fine...and I think we would be rather remiss if we were to lynch her when she's just arrived.
lol you can vote with me for the rest of the day. I think you're probably town anyway, so i might be willing to return the favour tomorrow.KittyMo wrote:Honestly, Battle Mage, I feel horrible. What can I do to get you to forgive me?
Now wait just a cotton-picking minute. You spend the *entire* game going against Maemuki, then suddenly flip due to vague "outside information"???Battle Mage wrote:just weighing in to say, i dont support the current wagon on Maemuki. Due to information from outside of the game, that has been brought to my attention recently, i think applying standard scumtells to Maemuki is a bad idea. I also feel that if anyone will be able to give an accurate read on Maemuki, it is Haylen. So, we need to hear from her.
I'm catching up now, but without the go-ahead from Haylen, i wont be voting Maemuki at deadline (whenever that is).
BM
I take your point, and perhaps you are right. It's hard to explain, but in practice, i feel there is a mid-point, as below:yellowbunny wrote:@BM: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Okay, I can see your point about it ceasing to be a scum tell (scum learn its a scum tell, so avoid it). But I fail to see how its a town tell. If you're an intelligent scum (you = some scum in general, not you = BM), and know that being consistent is considered the new scum tell (for reasons you described), then you behave in a wishy-washy manner to avoid that. So according to your argument, that would seem that consistency in voting has devolved into a null-tell, no? Or am I missing something?BM wrote:INCORRECT, INCORRECT, INCORRECT. Anyone who told you that "being wishy-washy" was a scumtell, should be strung up irl. It's one of the few strong towntells left these days...
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Haha, rather than feeding people utter BS, how about you ask around? This applies to everyone. Ask as many experienced players as you can whether being openly wishy-washy is a towntell or a scumtell, and i guarantee you that anyone worth their salt in mafia will tell you the same as i have.
Your last question hits the nail on the head. I think that 98% of players who are Mafia will try and play as honestly as possible as far as they can, on things that can be outright proven or disproven.
Please can i direct your attention to Appenine Mafia, in the New York forum. It's just finished, and we had a discussion like this earlier in that game. Once again, i was under attack for "wishy-washiness", and my stance was the same. It is a towntell. Needless to say, i was town there too.
It's fairly easy to understand why. The vast majority of scumbags-with the possible exception of vets, will play for consistency points, because, for a long time, people DID follow the wiki, and believed that any inconsistency regarding their suspicions would be viewed as scummy. It's for this reason too, that tunnel-visioning was often exploited by scum, in order to let them cruise through the game, without having to answer for much. See Ready Salted Mafia, also in the New York forum, for an example of BM-scum doing this, and getting to a 3 person endgame, only to be hammered by the remaining player. That was a long time ago though, and things have moved on since then.
Being openly inconsistent always attracts attention, and scum dont want lots of attention on them. Especially when they are naturally scummy-seeming players.
But, as i said, don't just take this from me. Ask Yosarian2/ MeMe/ Fonzie.
Yeh, i never actually got round to it. Haha. Will do tonight perhaps.YB wrote:Aw, it isn't a rant -- its a comprehensive post. Its not my fault you gave me the most to comment on!BM wrote:Ya know what, thanks to you, i might actually reply to YB's big rant post TONIGHT. Very HappyOh, and I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions plz kk thx. ^^
Turns out this is true. CSL and Mae actually are lovers. Ironically, I was right all along. xDYB wrote:I already explained my rational here. That was my best guess based on how CSL was behaving. CSL is town aligned, and he and Mae are not tied together in any way (ie they aren't a mason pair or anything like that) so that is my best guess.DT wrote:CSL = man to save the damsel in distress? Lol. That is an odd basis. Where did you get this from? Meta evidence? The only way you can base this mentality is that you know him. It's much more likely that CSL has a reason to defend Mae then anything.
Lol, i havent spent the entire game going against Maemuki. I thought she was worth pursuing early on. My vote hasn't been on her for ages. Previously i was voting YellowBunny. Who is still probably scum.Netopalis wrote:Now wait just a cotton-picking minute. You spend the *entire* game going against Maemuki, then suddenly flip due to vague "outside information"???Battle Mage wrote:just weighing in to say, i dont support the current wagon on Maemuki. Due to information from outside of the game, that has been brought to my attention recently, i think applying standard scumtells to Maemuki is a bad idea. I also feel that if anyone will be able to give an accurate read on Maemuki, it is Haylen. So, we need to hear from her.
I'm catching up now, but without the go-ahead from Haylen, i wont be voting Maemuki at deadline (whenever that is).
BM
Not BECAUSE Nikanor is scum. Although i feel if you flip scum, he will definitely be worth pursuing. I dont see any need to post a case on you atm. But, you can answer the following:Netopalis wrote: And then you accuse me of being scum because *Nikanor* is scum???
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Let's put it like this: Claim Cop, or die.Netopalis wrote:Incidentally, since I'm at L-2, do you folks want a claim?
QFT. I wish my vote was on someone else, but I may be biased because I <3 Neto.hitogoroshi wrote:Ungh, the specter of 'out of game information' rears it's ugly head...as I said before, I'm really reluctant to lynch an active player with so many lurkers. That makes lurking a 'winning move', because of course someone who's posting content can have their posts dissected while people who are not posting never say anything scummy! For now, my vote's going to stay where it is. I know that a no-lynch is bad for town and because of the chaining you've mentioned we could get some information off of a Neto lynch, but to be quite frank I'm not currently comfortable lynching neto and giving scum a potential don't-talk pass. It will depend in part on what Haylen and Maemuki say, if anything. (and ck-replacement, if he/she is here before deadline.)
My issue with this is my recently completely Large Normal - Appenine Mafia. We basically lost because we felt obliged to lynch lurkers, and the active mafia cruised to victory. Lurking isnt a horrendous problem in this game, and frankly, a lurker is more useful to the town than Neto anyway.hitogoroshi wrote:Ungh, the specter of 'out of game information' rears it's ugly head...as I said before, I'm really reluctant to lynch an active player with so many lurkers. That makes lurking a 'winning move', because of course someone who's posting content can have their posts dissected while people who are not posting never say anything scummy! For now, my vote's going to stay where it is. I know that a no-lynch is bad for town and because of the chaining you've mentioned we could get some information off of a Neto lynch, but to be quite frank I'm not currently comfortable lynching neto and giving scum a potential don't-talk pass. It will depend in part on what Haylen and Maemuki say, if anything. (and ck-replacement, if he/she is here before deadline.)
This post indicates that you really aren't following the game at all....Netopalis wrote:No...but I don't see *her* actions as scummy and I don't see people attacking her for *her* actions - I see people attacking her for CSL's actions which were indeed scummy.
lolwhy? Wait.Battle Mage wrote:just weighing in to say, i dont support the current wagon on Maemuki. Due to information from outside of the game, that has been brought to my attention recently, i think applying standard scumtells to Maemuki is a bad idea.
Why? *turns head*I also feel that if anyone will be able to give an accurate read on Maemuki, it is Haylen. So, we need to hear from her.
*turns head again* Why?I'm catching up now, but without the go-ahead from Haylen, i wont be voting Maemuki at deadline (whenever that is).
BM
That's entirely fair. I can certainly understand that an obligation to lynch lurkers is an over-reaction. And Maemuki isn't the only lurker out there.Battle Mage wrote:My issue with this is my recently completely Large Normal - Appenine Mafia. We basically lost because we felt obliged to lynch lurkers, and the active mafia cruised to victory. Lurking isnt a horrendous problem in this game, and frankly, a lurker is more useful to the town than Neto anyway.hitogoroshi wrote:Ungh, the specter of 'out of game information' rears it's ugly head...as I said before, I'm really reluctant to lynch an active player with so many lurkers. That makes lurking a 'winning move', because of course someone who's posting content can have their posts dissected while people who are not posting never say anything scummy! For now, my vote's going to stay where it is. I know that a no-lynch is bad for town and because of the chaining you've mentioned we could get some information off of a Neto lynch, but to be quite frank I'm not currently comfortable lynching neto and giving scum a potential don't-talk pass. It will depend in part on what Haylen and Maemuki say, if anything. (and ck-replacement, if he/she is here before deadline.)
And yes, while you mention Ckool-i could see him as scum. His "for the good of the town" post was very wierd...
If you switch your vote to him, or better still, Yellowbunny, i might be willing to hop over there at deadline. But i'm not allowing Maemuki to be lynched without the go-ahead from Haylen.
BM
I've given you ample opportunity to do something helpful. All you've done is whinge and whine and attempted to bait me. Instead of playing mafia, you've tried to start a personal conflict, and shown that you are unwilling to give people a chance. I'm not an illogical player, but i'll concede that being a bully is sometimes necessary in this game. *shrug*Netopalis wrote:Well, I've posted cases on you numerous times. I'm not going to reiterate it. I think that you're an illogical player, a bully and you smell of pea soup.
You dont seem to realise how ridiculous your request is. IF you were town, you'd know that claiming may be essential to save your ass. Are you going to trust the judgement of people who want you lynched? Likewise, what kind of answer do you expect from people who aren't part of your wagon?Netopalis wrote: With that in mind, I'm not going to claim just based on *your* post. I want to know what the *town* thinks, and you don't quite seem to understand that you are not the town.
Who said anything about Maemuki being the only useful vote? I dont think she is even that!Netopalis wrote: I am not casitng a "useful vote" as you put it because I'm not 100% convinced on Maemuki. If it comes to deadline, sure, I'll vote for her. That being said, I don't feel that strongly about it and would really just do so because I think that it's slightly more likely than not that she's scum.
Haha, if you are town, why are you afraid to vote Nikanor because you might look scummy?Netopalis wrote: I'm not voting for Nikanor because I don't want to be accused of an OMGUS attack or some sort of bussing play being read into my posts which, I assure you, is not there because I am most certainly town.
Appeal to emotion. It's for the best anyway. As she herself acknowledged-her personal opinion on you has affected her read. This way, she can move her vote as she wishes, without you guilt-tripping her. Which btw, is terrible form.Netopalis wrote: None of the other players really strike me as that scummy, although I am incredibly disappointed that Kittymo let you bully her into voting as you wish and not based on how she actually feels.
I've been V/LA. I'm catching up now. Are you really attacking me based on activity, when your case on me rides solely on the fact that i post alot? lmaoNetopalis wrote:That post was 4 pages back. That indicates that *you* aren't following the game at all, if you're just now jumping on that.
Lol, not sure i'm buying it. It's THE classic scum claim on Day 1.Netopalis wrote:Fine, then. I'll claim. Great job, you just outed your Doc.
this, from Mr Spam himself? roflNetopalis wrote:Well, that settles it. Nothing would please me more than having fewer walls and more relevant discussion.Maemuki wrote: Trying to write a wall of text on why Day 2 will be much harder if you guys lynch me. Half of it is done.
Unvote, vote: Maemuki
Do you have a better idea? Your role is a detriment until we get a claimed cop.Netopalis wrote: Fine. Lynch me if you want. I'm out of here for a few hours, I need to get some work done.
