Mini 839 -- Mafia Invasion! (Game Over)

[sigma]

I'm sure he had the actual PM, but there's nothing preventing the mod from sending that to people who don't have a vanilla role. That's the whole point of a safeclaim, which it seems to me is borderline mandatory in games where the vanilla PM isn't quoted in the rules. I would think RC would have done that to prevent confirmation.

Competent mods don't let games get screwed up by PM-quoting.

[Ojanen]

DRK should absolutely not be hammered on the basis of this. It looks prettty obvious that the mod has given different rolenames to town aligned players. I've seen that done several times before.
This is also not a strict confirmation of anyone, since RC could have easily given mafiosos town-aligned model role pm(s). Let's wait for RC's ruling, but hammering on the basis of the townie rolename is absolutely terrible imo.
Also no unnecessary heavy hinting of being vanilla, please.

[sigma]

I also don't think he is scum and have said as much before the claim.

Why'd you say this then?

The football stuff is what made me say DRK wasn't the lynch

That's what I was responding to.

[Ojanen]

Can't resist posting this mod WIFOM though:
I think there's a reason why vanilla pm isn't quoted in first post. (different rolenames)

[Sotty7]

Competent mods don't let games get screwed up by PM-quoting.

Very true. We just disagree on DRK then.

[Sotty7]

I also don't think he is scum and have said as much before the claim.

Why'd you say this then?

The football stuff is what made me say DRK wasn't the lynch

That's what I was responding to.

The second quote of me came right after DRK made his claim in my eyes just enforced that he wasn't scum. However, your point about competent mods rings true. I have never played under Red before, but he doesn't strike me as the kind of Mod that would make a mistake like this as far as the role PMs go.

So my confidence in DRK not being scum has been downgraded again, but I still think he is likely town

[Col.Cathart]

Also no unnecessary heavy hinting of being vanilla, please.

I'm afraid, it already happened.

[Ojanen]

Also no unnecessary heavy hinting of being vanilla, please.

I'm afraid, it already happened.

I know.
Should have said no more unnecessary etc.

[Sotty7]

Can't resist posting this mod WIFOM though:
I think there's a reason why vanilla pm isn't quoted in first post. (different rolenames)

Looks that way.

[RedCoyote]

All players in this game were given the official "Vanilla Townie" role PM, so there was/is nothing to prevent any non-town/town sided roles "confirming" with role PM flavor,

except

for the fact that it was intended to be (as I'm sure all players expect it to be) against the rules. That being said, DRK seems to have attempted to get around this rule by paraphrasing, which, unlike quoting, wasn't explicitly forbidden. Regardless as to DRK's role, it was not my intention for any player to be seen as any more or less likely to be a certain role outside of their own merits.

The question then became whether or not it was in the spirit of the rule that paraphrasing should be assumed prohibited as well, but for the sake of maintaining the game's integrity, taking into account the likelihood of DRK being lynched, wanting not to use the modkill to disrupt gameplay, and giving DRK every benefit of the doubt that my rules were unclear, I decided not to intervene at all, worried that my intervention could unfairly harm the game's balance; This obviously can no longer be avoided. I apologize to all the players of the game because I wrote the rules out myself and, thus, should've taken more time to look over them before using them in the game.

It is my judgment that this day can no longer be continued fairly to all players present, and DeathRowKitty,

Vanilla Townie

, will be removed from play without prejudice.

The game will now be moved to the Night Two phase.

The game will continue with the understanding to all players that any more mention of flavor, regardless as to whether all players have access to said flavor or not, role PMs, or Mod PMs, outside of the context of claiming a role and one's powers, will result in immediate modkills.

No posts will be edited or deleted by me in any way,

and no further in-game discussion about the matter is necessary nor permitted (under penalty of modkill).

If

any

living player, feels as though themselves and/or their party can no longer compete fairly, I will end the game, release the players, and assume full responsibility for the stoppage. In other words, any and all PMs made to me regarding this issue will be read only by me and will no names will be published in the thread.

Edit: The rules have been edited to account for this, please refer to them again, specifically the prohibitions section.

[RedCoyote]

"...and pre-season football", DeathRowKitty said, with a mischievous grin on his face. The eyes of some of the town members collectively widened, thinking that only true townies would be interested in pre-season football. "Hmmm...", pondered Cruciare, "this doesn't mean anything!", cried sigma, and the town began to argue some more. With dusk approaching, headlights could be seen far into the distance. The next second, twilight had struck Lynchem, far earlier than it ever had. The headlights drew closer and closer, multiple cars in the form of a convoy headed straight for town central. sigma spoke up once more, "I called someone I know, Red Coyote, Texas Ranger, to help settle this... but I didn't expect this". The vehicles could be seen and heard well now, only several feet away from the gathering as everyone backed quickly away from DeathRowKitty. The three dark, black Hummers hardly slowed down, leaving a trail of thick dust and dirt wafting in the air as they circled DeathRowKitty. Through the dust cloud, it was hard to make out what was going on, but the Hummers appeared to stop for just a moment. Driving away as quickly as they arrived, unidentified people are heard coughing and asking what was happening. When the dust finally settles, DeathRowKitty is no longer amongst them, and all that's left is a strange note:



The nine remaining players looked at one another, and then hurried back to their houses for the night.

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Final Day 2 Vote Count

• DeathRowKitty

  (Cruciare - imaginality - sigma - Col.Cathart - charter)
  
  
  Cruciare
  (

  charter

  - Sotty7)
  
  
  charter
  (Vi - Ojanen)
  
  
  imaginality
  (DeathRowKitty)
  
  
  Col.Cathart
  (Porkens)

With ten alive, it takes six to lynch.

There is no lynch (modkill), but the day has been officially ended.
Night 2 has begun, the thread is locked, and all night actions must be submit before is

October 1st

at or around 12 PM Noon CST.

[RedCoyote]

Let me attempt to clarify this once more after having slept on it and coming back to the situation. Discussion doesn't have to cease on the happenings of the end of Day 2, the only message I really want to get across is that every player in this game received the "Vanilla Townie" post, and it was my judgment that, because I wasn't clear enough about that aspect of the game to begin with, it would've necessarily given compromised perceptions of DRK based not on DRK's play but on the way the game itself was created.

There was

nothing wrong

with any of the discussion that happened after the fact, DRK essentially pushed on an area that I felt wasn't made clear and open enough to everyone from the beginning of the game, and it is my judgment that more action was necessary than just an explanation in order to rectify it.

[RedCoyote]

Dawn breaks. imaginality walks hurriedly down Center Street, hoping to be first arrive downtown. During his walk, he notices what appears to be someone running down the alleyway. He pursues the shadowy figure, hoping to become the town's hero (or hoping to find a fall guy?). He stays in lockstep, turning the corner to follow the mysterious figure, when suddenly he feels a striking blow across his forehead. He can't quite make out the face, but he was definitely hit was the butt of a pistol. He tries to reach out, but he finds himself dazed and buried in a... sandbox? His mother calls out to him, "imaginality, get inside this house!"

There's a knock on the door, imaginality gets out of bed and hurries downstairs. The whole town is out front, and Sotty speaks up first, "...and that's eight."

The last house is Ojanen's, and the town doesn't have to go far to understand the delay. Still sitting on her porch swing, Ojanen's lifeless body is a harsh reminder of work left to be done. charter steps up, opening her purse cautiously to look for clues to her side. He pulls out a Dallas Cowboys pre-season television schedule, and that was all the town needed to see to confirm her as a

Vanilla Townie

.

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Day 3

• Not Voting

  (Cruciare - imaginality - sigma - Col.Cathart - Sotty7 - charter - Vi - Porkens)

With eight alive, it takes five to lynch.
The current deadline is set for

October 15th

.

[Ojanen]

Bah.
Town gogogo.

[Porkens]

Vote: Col. C

Never did get around to those thoughts. Rode that all the way to the bank.

[charter]

I am going to start out with a

Vote Vi

because I think there is more support for a Vi wagon than Cruciare and also because I thought post 541 was incredibly fishy. More from me later.

[Vi]

I am going to start out with a

Vote Vi

because I think there is more support for a Vi wagon than Cruciare and also because I thought post 541 was incredibly fishy. More from me later.

I'd love to know why.

charter is effectively confirmed Town, so my suspect list is down to... one and one quarter people. imaginality is the 1/4. The 1 is...

Vote: Porkens

(L-4)

[Porkens]

charter is effectively confirmed Town

how?

[Vi]

charter is effectively confirmed Town

how?

...actually, I believe I misread.

every player in this game received the "Vanilla Townie" post

@mod: Please explain this.

[Porkens]

It's self-explanatory, isn't it?

[Vi]

It's self-explanatory, isn't it?

I would like clarification.
If it's what I think it's saying, my reads are going to jumble again.

[RedCoyote]

All players, regardless of alignment, had recieved the "Vanilla Townie" role PM and the flavor that went along with it. Because I wasn't clear enough about that in the rules, D2 was ended before any speculation about that could take place.

[Porkens]

I am going to start out with a

Vote Vi

because I think there is more support for a Vi wagon than Cruciare and also because I thought post 541 was incredibly fishy. More from me later.

oh charter, at least your honest.

[Sotty7]

Vote: Vi

I agree with charter about 541.

I will echo Porkens in wanting to hear from CC today. I am also interested in who Sigma finds scummy now.

[Vi]

All players, regardless of alignment, had recieved the "Vanilla Townie" role PM and the flavor that went along with it. Because I wasn't clear enough about that in the rules, D2 was ended before any speculation about that could take place.

That... screws up a lot of things.

I have a lot of questions now, almost all of which will be seen as anti-Town. So instead I'm going to let some other people talk for a while.

Sotty, what did you and imaginality talk about last Night?