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Post Post #1725 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:31 am

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elvis_kits wrote:Also, of note, nobody claimed protective roles except SC and iamausername, which would seem to indicate that atleast one of them is telling the truth.
I don't follow this logic at all.

Also, Mafia GF (if InvImm) shows up as vanilla town to a Vanilla Cop. We're not out of the woods yet.
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Post Post #1726 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:33 am

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elvis_kits wrote:Also, of note, nobody claimed protective roles except SC and iamausername, which would seem to indicate that atleast one of them is telling the truth.
I don't follow this logic at all.
Don't you think there's probably atleast one protective role in the game?
Talk nerdy to me.

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Post Post #1727 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:37 am

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Deadline:
Approximately 19.5 hours from this post.

Vote Count:
7 to lynch.

populartajo: 5 (charter, elvis_knits, Kmd4390, SerialClergyman, VP Baltar)
PookyTheMagicalBear: 4 (iamausername, populartajo, Thesp, zu_Faul)
iamausername: 2 (PookyTheMagicalBear, roflcopter)
SerialClergyman: 1 (Yosarian2)

Not Voting: 1 (ekiM)
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Post Post #1728 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:44 am

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elvis_knits wrote:Okay I guess you did give some reasons:
zu_Faul wrote:
elvis_knits wrote:I think zu faul is scum guys. I've been thinking he was a cop or info role of some kind since beginning of day 2 when he clearly breadcrumbed that Thesp was town.

This is the post I am talking about:
zu_Faul wrote:Which game, VP Baltar? I assumed that his absense was legitimate.

I think Thesp is a good citizen.

There are still some questions directed at ekiM, would love an answer.
I had Thesp as obv Vig after Night 1:
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inHimshallibe wrote:Thesp, if I lurk, kill me. Can I have the same call from you?
Sure!
This was from the round of questions that Thesp asked everyone at the very start of the game. It is also the only time Thesp ever mentions Inhim. And you thought this meant Thesp killed inhim?
Yes.
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zu faul wrote: Also, Thesp mentioned the Vig several times (remember when people accused him of directing the vig? that was not the only time when he did so).
Do you normally see vigs directing themselves?
Yes, I often see vigs say "hypothetically, shouldn't the vig do...?" This is not only limited to new players.
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Post Post #1729 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:48 am

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iamausername wrote:KMD, I've never said that I won't switch to tajo to avoid a no lynch. I'm just not going to do that when there is clearly still hope for a Pooky lynch.
Will you switch?
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Post Post #1730 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:53 am

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Yes. No lynch loses us a lynch just the same as a tajo lynch, and I can't see us getting more confirmed innocents out of it.

I think zu might have just unwittingly explained why rofl wasn't blocked on N2.
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Post Post #1731 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:06 am

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I don't think Tajo is town. The main reason is that implies that probably at least 3 of Elvis, Thesp, SC, and iamausername are scum. I don't believe that. It also means the Xyl lynch was town-driven. Again, I don't believe that. I don't have a town-read on Tajo or several of the players he's claiming to clear.

All the ideas about NLing and vigging Tajo or whatever, I just don't think they work out. Blockers, etc.I don't think we gain that much info in most possible scenarios. I don't want to wake up tomorrow and have no more idea what's going on.

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Post Post #1732 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:06 am

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L-1 BTW.
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Post Post #1733 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:07 am

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I question this argument from Yos:
Yos wrote:Right now, if tajo flips town, we have two confirmed townies from him (charter and rofl), and from rofl, we have two confirmed vanillas (me and VP.) With Tajo and rofl dead tommorow, we only have 3 confirmed townies left, out of a pool of 11 people. (4, if you count KMD, who I also consider confirmed). If there are 5 scum, then that means there will still be 2 unconfirmed town people left, and with 5 scum-votes out of 6 votes to lynch, the odds are, town will end up lynching one of them and losing.
Is it really going to be that hard to lynch right when our odds are 4/7 or 5/7?
Talk nerdy to me.

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Post Post #1734 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:08 am

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I think everyone should weigh in before a hammer is thrown.
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Post Post #1735 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:09 am

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Hammer away.
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Post Post #1736 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:09 am

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For reference.

Claims:
Thesp, Baltar, Yos, Elvis, Zu, Pooky: Vanilla
rofl: Vanilla Cop, N1 Yos vanilla, N2 VP vanilla
Tajo: Hider, N1 rofl, N2 charter
SC: Bodyguard, no action
iamausername: X-shot jailkeeper, N1 jailkeep rofl
KMD: X-shot vig, shot inhim N1
ekiM: Vengeful townie
charter: Treestump

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Xyl: Vanilla
Ojanen: Goon Cop, actions unknown
Claus, Shabba, InHim: Train.
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Post Post #1737 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:11 am

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charter wrote:Hammer away.
Talk nerdy to me.

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Post Post #1738 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:12 am

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ekiM wrote:I don't think Tajo is town. The main reason is that implies that probably at least 3 of Elvis, Thesp, SC, and iamausername are scum.
Why so confident Zu is town?
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Post Post #1739 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:13 am

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Never mind. You said 3, so you allow for 1-2 more scum. Ignore that.
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Post Post #1740 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:14 am

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elvis_knits wrote:I question this argument from Yos:
Yos wrote:Right now, if tajo flips town, we have two confirmed townies from him (charter and rofl), and from rofl, we have two confirmed vanillas (me and VP.) With Tajo and rofl dead tommorow, we only have 3 confirmed townies left, out of a pool of 11 people. (4, if you count KMD, who I also consider confirmed). If there are 5 scum, then that means there will still be 2 unconfirmed town people left, and with 5 scum-votes out of 6 votes to lynch, the odds are, town will end up lynching one of them and losing.
Is it really going to be that hard to lynch right when our odds are 4/7 or 5/7?
We won't just have to lynch right once, though. We'll have to lynch right every day for the rest of the game (if five scum; every day but one if four).
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Post Post #1741 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:18 am

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Deadline:
Approximately 18.5 hours from this post.

Vote Count:
7 to lynch.

populartajo: 6 (charter, ekiM, elvis_knits, Kmd4390, SerialClergyman, VP Baltar)
PookyTheMagicalBear: 4 (iamausername, populartajo, Thesp, zu_Faul)
iamausername: 2 (PookyTheMagicalBear, roflcopter)
SerialClergyman: 1 (Yosarian2)
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Post Post #1742 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:30 am

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charter wrote:I dunno tajo, I thought you were scum earlier in the day, though I don't even remember why now. I don't really have a very good town read on you.

A main reason I'm happy with the tajo lynch, is that is has kmd (confirmed town) and balter on it (almost certainly town) and myself. Which is three townies. None of the other wagons have that. PLUS, I think if tajo was town and a hider, he'd have been hammered so long ago, but I am pulling teeth trying to get a lynch. I think it very unlikely that three scum wouldn't have voted tajo by now if he was town, especially since there's a scapegoat in SC if tajo is town.
Obiously scumbags dont want too be obvious after my flip. Either they want this wagon to be ext townie powered so they can wifomize tomorrow or to be a deadline lynch, which it seems to be.

Just for the record, scumbags are serial, pooky and prob mike or elvis. I know you can catch the rest after.

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Post Post #1743 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:38 am

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elvis_knits wrote:
Thesp wrote:
elvis_kits wrote:Also, of note, nobody claimed protective roles except SC and iamausername, which would seem to indicate that atleast one of them is telling the truth.
I don't follow this logic at all.
Don't you think there's probably atleast one protective role in the game?
Not necessarily, is there something I've missed? What suggests that there is one?
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Post Post #1744 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:55 am

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Just that there normally is?

I didn't say 100%, but probably.
Talk nerdy to me.

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Post Post #1745 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:59 am

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charter wrote:BALTER AND ZU FAUL. YOU ARE BOTH NOT VOTING. THERE IS LIKE 24 HOURS UNTIL DEADLINE. GET OFF YOUR ANTITOWN ASSES AND VOTE SOMEONE.
I'm anti-town? You're the guy who's trying to get tajo lynched, when no one has even offered an argument for why he might bescum.

I've been waiting for SC to respond to my point, and he did not. I'll repeat it.

SC, you do understand that if rofl dies tonight, we autolynch you tommorow, correct?

I was waiting for him to directly acknowledge that before I unvoted him, and he hasn't yet, which bugs me.
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Post Post #1746 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:01 am

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VP Baltar wrote: I fully admit that I'm unsure about it and any lynch on you is mostly because I think charter and EK have made some good points.
They have? What points are those?
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Post Post #1747 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:03 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:Deadline is tomorrow. A Pooky lynch isn't going to happen.
Yes, it is.

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Pooky probably is scum here. And this "let's lynch tajo even though we think he's town because then we'll know he's telling the truth" wagon is horrible, it's illogical, anti-town, and almost certainly scum driven.
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Post Post #1748 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:04 am

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elvis_knits wrote:
Thesp wrote:
elvis_kits wrote:Also, of note, nobody claimed protective roles except SC and iamausername, which would seem to indicate that atleast one of them is telling the truth.
I don't follow this logic at all.
Don't you think there's probably atleast one protective role in the game?
Why would there be? I donno, I think a lot of mods have been moving away from the "doc/cop" pairing lately.
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Post Post #1749 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:10 am

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elvis_knits wrote:I question this argument from Yos:
Yos wrote:Right now, if tajo flips town, we have two confirmed townies from him (charter and rofl), and from rofl, we have two confirmed vanillas (me and VP.) With Tajo and rofl dead tommorow, we only have 3 confirmed townies left, out of a pool of 11 people. (4, if you count KMD, who I also consider confirmed). If there are 5 scum, then that means there will still be 2 unconfirmed town people left, and with 5 scum-votes out of 6 votes to lynch, the odds are, town will end up lynching one of them and losing.
Is it really going to be that hard to lynch right when our odds are 4/7 or 5/7?
If there's 5 scum when there's 6 to lynch, then yes, yes it would be; all the scum have to do is to get one townie to join them on a wagon, or get one townie to attack another townie, and follow, and they win. It wouldn't even have to be tomorrow; they could bus tomorrow and then win the next day, or whatever.

Let me put it to you this way. If we lynch tajo today, and he flips town, we may be in a situation where we basically have to lynch right 5 times IN A ROW without one pro-town person EVER voting for another pro-town person, at all. Have you ever seen town pull that off?

Now, again, if you think Tajo is scum, then make that case. But we can't afford to lynch town today.
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