The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)
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KaleiÐoscøpe =====[]
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VP Baltar he/himSurvivorhe/him
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Battle Mage Jester
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I'm on page 20 with my reread.
Currently, i'm happy to lynch Sajin, KMD, Plum or Dramonic today. Rather helpfully, none have any (serious) votes atm. So, any preferences?
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
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Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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dramonic Survivor
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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]lol, I'm scum because I don't contribute more.
I see the contradiction there xD[/quote]
active lurking is scummy. No complicated reasoning.
[quote="VP Baltar"]Q1) You seem convinced that SB is scum, so why are you not voting her?
I do? That's news to me.[/quote]
Just reread you in ISO. WHere the hell did I see you wanted to lynch her? XDI'm a hoot
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VP Baltar he/himSurvivorhe/him
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Pretty sure I said I don't think she should make it to endgame after the miller claim, but I don't think spending a lynch on her right now is the best move when it could potentially resolve itself at night.dramonic wrote:Just reread you in ISO. WHere the hell did I see you wanted to lynch her? XDYOUR AD HERE
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dramonic Survivor
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I wholehearedly agree with that.
My stance on S_B: She should be killed in some way that isn't lynching.I'm a hoot
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Seriously? Discussion of them have been dominating the game pretty strongly up until this point. Sajin just posted a summary of his stark case the page before (30) and just iso-read me for my (repeated) case on Snow_Bunny.populartajo (754) wrote:Also I want to know why people are exactly voting Bunny and Stark. One-two lines would be enough.
Stop skimming the game and demanding that others do the work for you.
So you're looking for quantity over quality? I'll seriously argue that my 15 posts have had more content than benmage's 61 posts. (not an intended slight to benmage, just pointing out that quantity arguments are bunk).SpyreX (773) wrote:If you are less posts than CKD you are doing it wrong.
I'd prefer not to say. When scum see that townies list other townies as scum, they know which mislynches to work towards.dramonic (794) wrote:Kublai Khan: Neutral, he seems to want to scumhunt, but his previous experience as fake-claiming miller is driving him in a blind rage on SB
Q1) Stark is in your top 5 to lynch, so is SB (clearly). We're missing 3. Who are they?
Question for you: have you read my reasons for how Snow_Bunny's actions don't match up with a pro-town miller's motivation? What do you make of Snow_Bunny continually ignoring/dodging my questions (such as the one posted in 728?)
Like using the Hugger? (Mafia love to take out Vigs, who can also be tracked)dramonic wrote:My stance on S_B: She should be killed in some way that isn't lynching.Occasionally intellectually honest
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Benmage Survivor
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I got a little distracted by the other squirrels jumping around. The interaction around that DOES still seem forced.Dra wrote:Q1) What is your opinion on the Benmage and Kmd interaction? You earlier called a bus, but haven't pushed it since.
KK wrote:So you're looking for quantity over quality? I'll seriously argue that my 15 posts have had more content than benmage's 61 posts. (not an intended slight to benmage, just pointing out that quantity arguments are bunk).
Yes, considering I've been vehemently against the spam I am totally looking for quantity over quality.
Or, there should be a crossroad of Quality Street and Quantity Avenue that is a much better place to exist. BOTH sets of outliers bother me, but less then a mod that isn't spamposting is a pretty good outlier for the Quantity axis.
Have you said more than Ben? Probably.
If you had more posts would I have more of a read on you than "Wants Snowbunny lynched, real bad"? Definitely.
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Unvote, Vote: KMD
I'll parse this in more detail later but VigGate still gives me the itch. The defense of stark (while the arguments aren't the greatest) strikes me as confidence in his flip. But neither of those get me as much as pushing a power-lurker lynch based on 2 posts and saying that not only is that scummier than active players BUT a replacement would STILL BE SCUMMY based on the ohh... 10 words posted.
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Official Vote Count (Page 33, Day 1)
Snow_Bunny-4 (tubby216, Kublai Khan, alvins95, Cass)
stark -4 (Sajin, KaleiÐoscøpe, Vaya, VP Baltar)
alvins95 -4 (SocioPath, stark, populartajo, Kmd4390)
tubby216 -2 (Plum, LlamaFluff)
Kmd4390 -2 (vollkan, SpyreX)
DrippingGoofball -1 (Benmage)
Rosso Carne -1 (milkshake)
populartajo -1 (DrippingGoofball)
Not Voting:Rosso Carne, Snow_Bunny, Kise, Papa Zito, dramonic, Battle Mage
Note: Deadline will be at the earliest, 10/19 6:00AM EST, with 26 whole votes available, it takes 14 to lynch.
Note:Papa Zito replaces cicero-
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Papa Zito Jack of All Trades
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Kmd4390 I lost a bet.
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[quote="Benmage"]
Yeah well heres my argument: pffftpb[/quote]
Awesome. That makes me want to unvote.
[quote="dramonic"]
Kmd4390 : Fairly town, good contribution and decent scum-hunting.
Q1) You've pretty much called everyone scum at one point or another. What's your current opinion?
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Scum:
Benmage
Maybe scum:
SpyreX
LlamaFluff
Vaya
Tubby
alvinz
Not sure:
Cass
SocioPath
DrippingGoofball
KaleiÐoscøpe
Rosso Carne
Maybe town:
Kublai Khan
Plum
Papa Zito
stark
populartajo
Kise
Battle Mage
Snow_Bunny
dramonic
vollkan
Town:
Sajin
VP Baltar
milkshake
Kmd4390
[quote="vollkan"]
Yes, if you were paying no attention initially, but then I proved that it wasn't.
So, either you ignored what I said, you disagreed (your lack of any rebuttal speaks volumes on this, however), or you didn't understand (in which case, it baffles me that you wouldn't have piped up at the time).
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I "piped up" when Spy went with what you said. I didn't understand how you "proved" anything and still don't.
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[quote="Dramonic"]
Q1) You seem very wary of Kmd. Do you think he is scum, or just somewhat dellusional? [/quote]
So far, I think he is scummy (see above for the crux of my problem with his play regarding SB), but I am not settled so I am trying to question him.[/quote]
What is wrong with my play regarding Snow? She hasn't looked scummy so far.
[quote="Battle Mage"]
Currently, i'm happy to lynch Sajin, KMD, Plum or Dramonic today. Rather helpfully, none have any (serious) votes atm. So, any preferences?
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I don't like any of those choices, but if I had to pick one, Plum.
[quote="Benmage"]
Absolutely. Town are almost always more active players than scum. [/quote]
Not true. At all.
[quote="SpyreX"]
Unvote, Vote: KMD
I'll parse this in more detail later but VigGate still gives me the itch. The defense of stark (while the arguments aren't the greatest) strikes me as confidence in his flip. But neither of those get me as much as pushing a power-lurker lynch based on 2 posts and saying that not only is that scummier than active players BUT a replacement would STILL BE SCUMMY based on the ohh... 10 words posted.
Not buying it.[/quote]
VidgeGate- I'm a Gambit player. You know this. Should know it from our first game together, even if that one was retarded, but hey, I was a newbie.
Defense of Stark- Show me a case against him and I may support it. So far, there isn't one. Oh, and I always look confident in flips. Well, usually. But yeah. I usually have 1-2 very strong town reads and 1-2 very strong scum reads. I wouldn't call Stark either of those, but yeah.
pushing power-lurker lynch- I'm voting alvinz because it's a better lynch than Stark or Snow. If there was a better wagon, or people would support the Ben lynch, I'd be all for that.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Bolded for whaaaaa? I'm pretty sure you'd been on Sajin as scum due to META(TM PENDING).KMD wrote:Town:
Sajin
VP Baltar
milkshake
Kmd4390
1.) I'm fine with gambitsish. However, you pulled your punches afterwards and kind of let it slide losing aggression and moving towards a defensive bit, which leads to:KMD wrote:VidgeGate- I'm a Gambit player. You know this. Should know it from our first game together, even if that one was retarded, but hey, I was a newbie.
Defense of Stark- Show me a case against him and I may support it. So far, there isn't one. Oh, and I always look confident in flips. Well, usually. But yeah. I usually have 1-2 very strong town reads and 1-2 very strong scum reads. I wouldn't call Stark either of those, but yeah.
pushing power-lurker lynch- I'm voting alvinz because it's a better lynch than Stark or Snow. If there was a better wagon, or people would support the Ben lynch, I'd be all for that.
2.) Stark not being a solid town read is good. Considering DN and the "slip" I also don't give the slip much credence. However, I'm not getting the absence of questioning the erratic responses and overall unhelpfulness... which leads us to:
3.) This is my beef. I'm down with killing lurkers. Believe you me. However, when one consists oftwo postsI am not down with building a case on it aside from what it is and doubly not down with saying that the replacement inherits the sins of the father (with said two posts) and triply not down with saying that it is a better wagon than Stark, Ben, or Snow.
Something is amiss in KMD town, and I dont like it.-
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Papa Zito Jack of All Trades
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SpyreX wrote: Bolded for whaaaaa? I'm pretty sure you'd been on Sajin as scum due to META(TM PENDING).
-------------------Kmd4390 wrote:Ok, so two of my suspects died and flipped town.
Vote Benmage. Guess we're back to this because Sajin looks like himself now. Maybe Spy and Llama are scum?
1) It looks like I let it go because DeathNote's "slip" came up, so I was more focused on that.
2) k.
3) You're right. A Ben wagon would be better than Alvinz. However, Alvinz IS posting elsewhere, and not here. That IS scummy. Yes, it's one minor tell, but it's more than what I've seen against Snow (OMG MILLER) and Stark ("slip").KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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dramonic Survivor
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@KK: I've read your case agaisnt SB and I am honestly not convinced. I have never completed a game where there was a miller, but I'm pretty sure you're overworking this on one situation that worked well for you. Also, yes, just like the hugger.
@Bm: You are wrong abou the "town speaks more than scum". Often, scum will post a lot, through the use of IioA.
@PZ: Welcome to hell
@CKD: I'm voting Alvinz
I don't care if Kaleidoscope always play like that. He is still active lurking and it's a complete nuisance to the town. His behaviour is extremely antitown at the very best and I will not be pushed to believe otherwise. Players like that are the reason why the town lost in Chzo Manor.I'm a hoot
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Whats IioA?dramonic wrote: @Bm: You are wrong abou the "town speaks more than scum". Often, scum will post a lot, through the use of IioA.
In everygame I play the scum are never the more active players. But thats just me which is why I said most. I've seen statistics that suggest this theory as well.-
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I just looked at alvinz' other posts...and that makes his vote even worse. I'm certainly not moving my vote anytime soon. This is a good wagon to hop on.SpyreX wrote:... I didn't realize that we're looking at a dozen posts of actual words in between Alvinz posts here.
That changes it some, but not a lot.
My thoughts on Bm haven't changed much. Same with Sajin. Nothing relevant in my eyes at this point, or I would have commented on such.dramonic wrote:Q1) Opinion on Sajin and Bm? You seemed interested in them earlier...
Alvinz is a much better wagon.
25 players in this game, I can't give a case on everyone simultaneously.
I don't currently have that kind of time.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.
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