Skruffs wrote:If he said you were both, you should have been asking this question, to him, yourself. That's part of why I'm suspicious. Why weren't YOU suspicious?
As I have said before, I made an assumption that was the most logical thing he really meant. I believe I know what he was trying to say, and what he was trying to say was not suspicious to me.
Skruffs wrote:This is making me Very suspicious. First: We are lookign for people who are both town and scum, because ALL players are going to try to act town. Scummy players try to act town while still getting pro-scum results. So ZEEnon saying that you were both pro town AND scummy SHOULD HAVE made him say, "And that's suspicious", instead of disregarding it in the same sentence.
Eh... you're right. Him saying that doesn't make sense with his second statement saying it was a null read. What could explain this? Oh! His first sentence had a mistake in it. Not trying to be too condescending here, but I don't think he is saying what you think he is saying. What I believe he is saying is not suspicious and didn't deserve a question from me.
Skruffs wrote:How did you get a chain-lynch scenario out of that? And who are you referencing to? Zeenon was actively distancing/derailing from you there, Raivann could be conceptually setting up a chain-lynch scenario, but I do not believe that that was his plan at all sinec neither he, nor zeenon, nor you put more than a sentence towards that line of questioning before I came in. I believe that forcing the idea of a 'chain lynch' scenario is distracting from the situation as it really happened by trying to put malevolent impetus on Raivann, who is currently at the highest number of votes.
Huh? I thought when you said that one-two mafia lynch you were suggesting that he was setting up some kind of scenario that would result in a chain-lynch. What do you mean one-two mafia lynch? I'm confused apparently.
I don't think Raivann was setting up a chain lynch either, I think we have something we don't understand with each other here.
As for the rest of the above, I don't understand that either, I think its all stemming from my not understanding what you were trying to get at with 'one-two scum lynch'.
Skruffs wrote:[1]The only chain lynch that could be suggested would start with Zeenon and end with you if Zeenon is guilty. [2] But since the only questions you have asked Zeenom have been actually directed towards teh MM and M quandary, [3] it seems very, very clear to me that you do not think that Zeenon could be mafia. If you did think he was mafia, or at least, [4] if you were town and thought he was mafia, you would have taken more of an interest in him suspiciously, rather than playing him off of the other players. Concordantly, [5] if you were town and saw him buddying up to you, shouldn't you be concerned?
[1] Yep that's what I was implying. Are you suggesting that the town does that? Are you confident enough of your read on Zee and I that would suggest that you think this is the correct course of action?
[2] I argue that you are incorrect. My questions to Zee were about things he has said, and thoughts he has expressed. Every question directed to him so far were to get him to explain his views, and claims.
[3] The hell? You are wrong, he could be scum. That's why I am asking him to explain his inconsistent views on certain areas. I am suspicious of him.
[4] Who was playing him off other players? I was asking him questions about the views he has expressed in game. Every question was something that he said that didn't make sense. He is the one that is looking at the fight you are crying about. I am looking at him looking. How am I playing him off anyone?
[5] Yes, if I saw were he was buddying I would be concerned. I haven't seen him do it yet.
Skruffs wrote:I believe my line of questions is based almost entirely on you and Zeenon being too comfortable with each other this early in the game. There *should* be subconcious distrust, however, you two seem to be working as a team to goad other players into being more outspoken.
Ah, I see. Because we both ask questions at other people
I've been doing the same questioning to him. You are stretching pretty hard man.
Skruffs wrote:I believe that Raivann is coming under scrutiny, and when the scrutiny on her has dropped off, I will probably ask them a few questions of my own. The fact that you are voting Raivann does not Automatically Validate the idea that you have concerns of them, though, it only suggests that you are willing to lynch Raivann. The concerns you are posting as the reason for your vote; I am not analyzing them at this moment because I am focussed on something that I see as much more rewarding (if I am correct).
You said the only scrutiny on him was my vote. That doesn't make sense. That's why I am asking about it. You say there is scrutiny on him now? Has your thoughts changed since you said this:
Skruffs wrote:Raivann is being under scrutiny for no reason that I Can see except that SCien just 'decided' to vote him.
First off, nothing has really happened in his direction since then. Second off, I listed why I voted when I voted. As have others. I have informed everyone of my concerns, and have explicitly told him and you what they are.
Oh, thinking about what you mean, you are saying that if I am scum, the reasons I give for my vote don't matter, because I just want the lynch? I suppose that is true to some degree. But my listing of them counts as scrutiny. It gives him a way to counter my attack. It gives others a way to see my claimed motives. I don't see how you can claim that you can just write off my points against him. If you believe me scum, and the points are answered, how can I maintain good townie image while maintaining my vote? If I am townie, my points are used to drive discussion, and to verify that my vote is well placed.
I don't understand. My points and other's points count as scrutiny.
Skruffs wrote:then the next course of action would be to look at how the other players interacted with the first two players who were in teh conflict.
LAWL. What the heck do you think I was doing when I was questioning everyone about their freggin views on the fight? I wasn't asking about the fight in particular, but about their views. What on earth is going through your head?
Skruffs wrote:Players who appear to have been trying to inflame the argument between two players 'commonly believed to be town'
Again I would like to see where you think I have done that. For the second time. I was inflaming nothing. I was examining people participating in what I thought to be a town-vs-town fight from the get go.
Skruffs wrote:Players who continually try to keep the focus on two players who had a lot of players voting for them (if not at the same time) are much mroe likely to be scum than players who 'move on' and continue to look for scum. You have to LOOK for scum, not try to FORCE people to "be scum".
I was looking for scum. That's why I was questioning other people's views. I was not fanning any flames. You are wrong.
Skruffs wrote:I believe, personally, that if the other players can disregard my speech patterns, which always seems to incite votes, enough look at you and Zeenon's interactions with each other, they will see where I am coming from.
Meh, I sure the hell can't.
