Open 163 (Jungle Republic)- Game Over before 835

[Toro]

:<. The whole pressure voting when you want more answers depends on the situation. In a case where X person says: I have reason to know this Y person is scum and then votes, then it's scummy to attack X since he is obviously cop.

When someone is uncooperative with something like this, there is a concept called pressure voting to get them to talk. It's not like you have information to share to the town, you just baited someone to attack you for being anti-town when you potentially have insight. This just reads as null tells on both counts, and just plain meh.

But you just established two things:

Admiral - Nik linkage.
Toro - Scott linkage.

I can tell you now that I'm not grouped with Scott in anyway, but the way how ThAdmiral just jumped onto Nikanor's bandwagon makes me think that connection is possible.

[ThAdmiral]

And ThAdmiral, I don't like how you just roll with Nikanor just like that.

You wouldn't like that since I'm voting you.

Basically think of the most recent thing with nikanor as a delightful cherry on top of the already delicious looking cake that is your scumminess.

[Toro]

And ThAdmiral, I don't like how you just roll with Nikanor just like that.

You wouldn't like that since I'm voting you.

Basically think of the most recent thing with nikanor as a delightful cherry on top of the already delicious looking cake that is your scumminess.

Well yes, and the way you instantly just jump on saying "I like" sounds like you're just riding this bandwagon.

[Toro]

Y'know what? You two can go ahead and try to lynch me, I hope that as soon as I turn up town you both will be hanging from a tree.

Go town.

[DTMaster]

@Toro
What's with the defeatest stance.... I dislike it.

@Town
Toros 953: It reads as his defeated town meta: Read Internal Struggle Mafia where Toro did the same thing as Town RBer. >>

[Toro]

I'm just getting that feeling that the same crap from Internal Struggle's going to happen again.

[Nikanor]

DTM, the difference is that Toro was fighting his lynch for days before finally giving up and self-voting in that game. This feels more like a scum intimidation tactic to me.

[DTMaster]

The ghost of meta's past is giving me bad vibes here regardless of that inconsistency.

[Toro]

Scum intimidation tactic?

[DTMaster]

More like Appeal to Township movement. :<

[Nikanor]

Scum intimidation tactic?

As in, 'Back off, or I'll kill myself!' 'You'll be sorry when I flip town!' And the like.

[Toro]

Trust me, I have no intentions of self-voting. I'm just saying (though I may've said it otherwise) that if I'm lynched and come out town, go after Nikanor and ThAdmiral, as I'm sure they're at least two members of the mafia.

[Scott Brosius]

Trust me, I have no intentions of self-voting. I'm just saying (though I may've said it otherwise) that if I'm lynched and come out town, go after Nikanor and ThAdmiral, as I'm sure they're at least two members of the mafia.

You seem awfully worried for being at L-3.

[fuzzylightning]

Vote Count #16

Shotty to the Body

: 1

(Scott Brosius)

Nikanor

: 1

(Toro)

Toro

: 2

(Nikanor, ThAdmiral)

Not Voting

:

(hasdgfas, Shotty to the Body, DTMaster, peacesells)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Shotty to the Body]

I'll be catching up tomorrow, I had a really long day.

[hasdgfas]

Trust me, I have no intentions of self-voting. I'm just saying (though I may've said it otherwise) that if I'm lynched and come out town, go after Nikanor and ThAdmiral, as I'm sure they're at least two members of the mafia.

You seem awfully worried for being at L-3.

that was my thought too.

And Toro, why are you so sure that two people who disagree with you are mafia? Is there any specific reason? Because it just looks like OMGUS to me.

[Toro]

Trust me, I have no intentions of self-voting. I'm just saying (though I may've said it otherwise) that if I'm lynched and come out town, go after Nikanor and ThAdmiral, as I'm sure they're at least two members of the mafia.

You seem awfully worried for being at L-3.

that was my thought too.

And Toro, why are you so sure that two people who disagree with you are mafia? Is there any specific reason? Because it just looks like OMGUS to me.

Here's the reason, ThAdmiral just quickly jumps on the bandwagon that Nikanor started rather quickly and without reason really. So I figured they must be two members of the mafia.

[peacesells]

I don't think they would be that obvious but one of them could be.

[DTMaster]

@Peace

Who would you accuse to be scummy on the bandwagon Peace and why?

[peacesells]

I don't know if I'd consider there being a bandwagon with just 2 votes. But the admiral really hasn't done anything in this game. Hard to figure his reasoning to vote.

[peacesells]

Actually, I change my mind. Just did a re-read of all of TheAdmirals posts and he's been on Toro a long time. I just forgot about that.

[peacesells]

I guess that leaves Nik. But I don't neccessarily consider him scummy either.

The problem I have with his "revelation" play is that without disclosing his reasoning and without me having my own "revelation" I'm not gonna follow his vote just because he thinks we should.

[Scott Brosius]

Ok so who do you think is scummy?

[Shotty to the Body]

Rereading Toro here's some stuff.

Toro focused on Cain for the entire beginning of D1. He claims that we've caught noob-scum because Cain put Mastin at L-3 during RVS. That's how you leave RVS, it makes no sense to call him scum just for that vote. Cain never really contributed, but he didn't come off as particularly scummy, just noobish. As soon as he found a reason he voted Saber for some flimsy reason and then backed it up by saying Zazie was right, but he never gave quotes or said what he agreed with just called Saber scum and voted him. He jumps back to the Cain wagon when Cain shows back up and then is forced to get off again as peace replaces him. He goes right on to vote Saber again, not really saying anything original just some crappy back and forth with saber that didn't really accomplish much. Kill-kill also suspects him at this point, but not enough to make a big deal out of it and guess who winds up dead on N2? Moving on, switches over to the Hohum wagon along with most of the town, this would lead me to suspect him of being Mafia rather then Wolf. He mutters some nonsense about how Scott and Saber are conspiring to prevent Seer-Hohum from defending himself, his argument doesn't make any sense since claimed seer is just dead meat. Questions me for voting Hohum off the bat on D2 even though I explained it on D1 and he does the same thing 3 ISO posts later with no reasons. Now he's riding on the Scott wagon that was created, he pretty much bandwagoned easy targets with every vote, so I agree with Scott here. Then he votes Nik because he isn't telling us his revelation, which is annoying, but not voteworthy at this point imo which turns out to be a gambit that toro fell into. Now he's staying on Nik for pretty much OMGUS reasons while being incredibly overdefensive and like "OMG WHEN I FLIP TOWN YOU'LL REGRET IT!!!1!1one!" If you needed reasons to vote him here they are.

Vote: Toro

This was very stream of consciousness writing so feel free to ask for clarification or post numbers for any points you aren't clear on.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, that pretty much encapsulates Toro's play so far, Shotty.
What I really want to hear is peacesells's thoughts on this here Toro wagon. So far we've got, 'One of ThAdmiral or Nik is scum,' with no mention at all of Toro.