Claim: Micaiah.
![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
It's really not a fallacy at all. Do you have the town win condition?a cold starry night wrote:Fallacy alert!Cobalt wrote:Just in case you missed that part up above, VP wants to lynch me for having a falseclaim ability and said "he didn't say he was town, just that he wasn't mafia". Town win condition only requires the mafia to die, ergo VP is not town.
Cobalt's Premise: All towniesonlywant to lynch mafia.
Cobalt's Conclusion: VP is not town because VP believes Cobalt is a third party.
Problem: There are other possible win conditions that could be detrimental to the town. This argument is given further credence by Sens semi-claim of multiple wincons.
He's not selling the Town wincon.Goatrevolt wrote:EBWODP: Just saw the last 4 posts or so. Sens, how could he be selling BS when he's selling the town win con? Please explain.
You claimed to have a different wincon than VP Baltar, and the context implied that you were referring to not having the Town wincon.Cobalt wrote:I have the town win condition. When did I say I didn't?
also, I'm curious as to why you'd want a full claim from MICAIAH. I'd think the lack of a counterclaim would be enough to prove I am who I say I am, and claiming my ability wouldn't help convince you I'm telling the truth.
He is selling the town win condition. The town win condition is to get rid of the mafia. That says absolutely nothing about any possible 3rd parties. Unless there is a 3rd party who makes hunting and eliminating mafia difficult I see no reason to waste our time with them. Based on your claim, I'm guessing we're looking at a 3rd party with some sort of alternate-win con that is not exclusive with the town or scum win con, otherwise the town would need them dead to win.SensFan wrote:He's not selling the Town wincon.Goatrevolt wrote:EBWODP: Just saw the last 4 posts or so. Sens, how could he be selling BS when he's selling the town win con? Please explain.
He admitted to having a fakeclaim, and not having the Town wincon.
Personally, I don't see why this is a big deal on a theoretical standpoint. I see town soft-claim just as much as scum. The only times I can remember me soft-claiming I've been town every time. If you are convinced the player is scum, force them to full claim. If you're wishy-washy, then the soft claim might be enough to lead you elsewhere. I don't get why this is such an issue.SensFan wrote:That, and his fucking softclaims. People need to be taught they can't get away with that shit.
I read it again. I still see him claiming 3rd-party wincon.Goatrevolt wrote:No...*facepalm*...SensFan wrote:You claimed to have a different wincon than VP Baltar, and the context implied that you were referring to not having the Town wincon.
Sens, read that interaction again. Read the town win condition, then look at what both players said...
this is the part where you stop talking.SensFan wrote:You claimed to have a different wincon than VP Baltar, and the context implied that you were referring to not having the Town wincon.Cobalt wrote:I have the town win condition. When did I say I didn't?
also, I'm curious as to why you'd want a full claim from MICAIAH. I'd think the lack of a counterclaim would be enough to prove I am who I say I am, and claiming my ability wouldn't help convince you I'm telling the truth.
I don't know who the fuck Micaiah is, and don't really give a rat's ass.Not only are scummyscumscum softclaims scummy, but we know the Scum (and you, specifically) got a fakeclaim.
Lynch lynch lynch.
Can't be one. READ THE RULES OF THE GAME, SENS. Why is this so hard to understand for you? That would be a factional win condition if it ends the game. But due to the wording of the town wincon it doesn't conflict with the town wincon unless it requires some mafia to be alive. therefore, any nontown, nonmafia wincondition MUST be an individual wincondition and therefore DOES NOT end the game. It's in the RULES.Maybe the third wincon is one that is mutually exclusive with the Town (such as a Lyncher or Jester that ends the game if they win).
if the lynchee is mafia, hilarity ensues.SensFan wrote:Let us assume that there is a Lynch in the game. Let us assume that this Lyncher wins by lynching his target.
Let us further assume all Win Conditions are of the exclusive variety.
Then if the Lyncher lynches his target first, he wins.
If the Town kills the Mafia first, Town wins.
How complicated is that?
Problems:Cobalt wrote:I'm Micaiah, townie priestess. my role is sacrificer, I have the ability I listed above, the information that Leonardo is not in the game and is a good safe claim, and a Tarh-style falseclaim. I assume I got the safe and false claims because MICAIAH IS THE MOST OBVIOUS TOWN ROLE IN THE GAME AND AN INSTANT #1 NIGHTKILL CHOICE, which you would know if you bothered to learn the flavor of the game you signed up for.
I did? please quote. What actually happened is that you and cobalt took all kinds of inferences from one line where I said if Sens is telling the truth, Cobalt should probably be lynched and then extrapolated them into a grand theory about how I'm psychotically trying to get cobalt lynched. Your ridiculously over the top defense of Cobalt is starting to grate on me though.GR wrote:He attacked VP Baltar because VP Baltar wanted to lynch him because Baltar thought he was 3rd party despite that not being relevant to the town win condition.