To this:Netopalis wrote:Ah, I see. Yeah, I'm still extremely tempted to vote Crypto, as I find his play very scummy, but I wanted to reward behavior which explains actions by unvoting to encourage others to explain their play as well. I try to play the game in an orderly and organized fashion, and I find players who don't explain themselves to be extremely hard to read. They also usually tend to be scum. Like I said, though...Crypto is still high on my list.
Now Crypto the Trick Pony is in line all thanks to your unvote, which came at a time when Crypto was high on your list and very scummy? First time I've heard anyone claim their unvote was a motivator to proper play...Netopalis wrote:Ecto: I understand what a scummy statement is, but I feel that it's more important to tell the truth than to lie in an attempt to look "more town". Also, if you'll notice, Crypto is giving us more than enough to work with now - he's explaining his posts and reasoning, making logical criticisms of other players and is generally improving. Therefore, I consider my unvote to have achieved the desired effect - he has changed his actions in a way that is beneficial to the town. Honestly, the more I hear from him now, the less I'm suspecting him, since it seems that he actually does have a plan.
You probably did, but I want to make sure we're on the same page. What do you mean by "scummy"? That in your experience, scum do whatever action more than town? Or something else?Netopalis wrote:Not if done without posting unexplained votes. Yes, posting unexplained votes is scummy. I believe that I said that above.
Asking questions is vanilla scum hunting. Vanilla scum hunting often doesn't work—otherwise the town would never lose a game. Waiting for someone to slip up is an awfully passive strategy and it assumes incompetence on the part of the scum players.A better way to reaction-fish would probably be to ask questions or wait for someone else to slip up before attacking.
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The kind of language that Ecto is pointing out in Netopalis' posts implies Neto is trying not to lynch his scum partner crypto, which is feasible until the crazy argument they are having now. Sorry but I doubt either of you are good enough actors to pull that off.Ectomancer wrote:Whoa, how did it go from this:
To this:Netopalis wrote:Ah, I see. Yeah, I'm still extremely tempted to vote Crypto, as I find his play very scummy, but I wanted to reward behavior which explains actions by unvoting to encourage others to explain their play as well. I try to play the game in an orderly and organized fashion, and I find players who don't explain themselves to be extremely hard to read. They also usually tend to be scum. Like I said, though...Crypto is still high on my list.
Now Crypto the Trick Pony is in line all thanks to your unvote, which came at a time when Crypto was high on your list and very scummy? First time I've heard anyone claim their unvote was a motivator to proper play...Netopalis wrote:Ecto: I understand what a scummy statement is, but I feel that it's more important to tell the truth than to lie in an attempt to look "more town". Also, if you'll notice, Crypto is giving us more than enough to work with now - he's explaining his posts and reasoning, making logical criticisms of other players and is generally improving. Therefore, I consider my unvote to have achieved the desired effect - he has changed his actions in a way that is beneficial to the town. Honestly, the more I hear from him now, the less I'm suspecting him, since it seems that he actually does have a plan.
You and Darkstrike hang out?
Maybe it's my tired brain but I keep reading this over looking for a hidden message like the one Gov. Ahnold sent to the CA congress. "f u c k y o u"!It
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Or was it in this one?Mainly, yes, that scum do it more than townies. I've been in a few games where scum do that, are challenged and then point to the reaction as a reason to vote. When that person gets lynched, they blame it on being the first day and come out smelling like roses.
I said it above - in the post immediately prior to yours, actually. I find that scum do it more often than townies do. Scum can use it as a tool to attack a pro-town player without any real justification - they vote them, watch for a reaction and then use either the concern or lack thereof to build a case
It allows scum to make easy cases which lead to mislynches.