Mini 847 Murder in Zachtown (Game over!)

[jasonT1981]

but at the end of it i'm always right.

This here alone makes me think my vote is in the right place.

[Haylen]

Yer...sure...

I really dont give a crap what you think about how I play. I'm not changing it. And I am always right.

Please be careful where you're throwing your disillussioned votes, as it was said earlier, we might be in lylo and I dont want to risk a town loss. Might win as town for the third time...

[Zachrulez]

2nd vote count of day 3:

Haylen - 3 (Sotty7, Vi, jasonT1981)
Maemuki - 2 (Battle Mage, Debonair Danny DiPietro)
Vi - 1 (Haylen)

Not voting (Nikanor, Maemuki, hitogoroshi)

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

If I made any mistakes, let me know asap.

[jasonT1981]

Yer...sure...

I really dont give a crap what you think about how I play. I'm not changing it. And I am always right.

Please be careful where you're throwing your disillussioned votes, as it was said earlier, we might be in lylo and I dont want to risk a town loss. Might win as town for the third time...

Nice WIFOM there, but there has been stacks of evidence compiled against you recently.

[Haylen]

There was no WIFOM >.> WIFOM and OMGUS are ridiculous wastes of my time.

[Battle Mage]

Jason would also be lynchable today. But Haylen needs to stop voting for Vi.

BM

[Zachrulez]

3rd vote count of day 3:

Haylen - 4 (Sotty7, Vi, jasonT1981, ???)
Maemuki - 2 (Battle Mage, Debonair Danny DiPietro)
Vi - 1 (Haylen)

Not voting (Nikanor, Maemuki, hitogoroshi)

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

If I made any mistakes, let me know asap.

[Haylen]

Why?

[hitogoroshi]

Hito, post 1033 is great and all, but what if Mae is a scum tracker?

Oh yeah, if Mae's a scum tracker than basicially everything is the same except that it becomes a much easier claim to fake. I suppose I left that out of my quick and dirty analysis.

I don't the townie role like the rest of you do, but at the end of it i'm always right. Thus, I am NOT going to change my playstyle just because everybody else thinks it's illogical and stuff. Aint gonna happen.

Quite frankly I don't see 'how you the townie role' at all. It seems like you want to read the game, cast a vote, and then do nothing for the rest of the day. That isn't a play style, that's just idiocy. And it doesn't matter how often you were 'right', because even you if pulled these kinds of shenanigans as townie, all that means is that the town won is spite of you, not because of you.

I don't particularly want to lynch you but at the same time I really don't want the town to play around you, because the thought of the town winning and you taking credit for any of the success really pisses me off.

Your entire 'case' on Vi is nothing more than pure OMGUS'y complaining, worse than Jason did D2, and if you honestly believe otherwise you have no place in this game. I really do think you're town, but refusal to play and being hyper-defensive about it is not a 'style', savvy?

[Battle Mage]

Hito, would you prefer a Jason, Sotty, or Maemuki wagon right now?

BM

[jasonT1981]

Hito, would you prefer a Jason, Sotty, or Maemuki wagon right now?

BM

Or a BM one?

[hitogoroshi]

To be honest I wouldn't like any wagon right now. I have a couple of pretty strong town reads, and I'd like the day to maneuver into such a way where two people are in a conflict where one of them is very likely to be scum - I'd be much happier voting because I know X isn't scum, than because I think Y is scum, given my reads today.

But if there was a gun to my head and we needed a wagon? Hmm. Not Sotty - she was very fervent in defending Jason when it would have easy enough to try and get him lynched. And I've really liked Jason's actions recently - though I think Hayl is probably town, Jason has been consistent and has plainly given his reasons for voting. So I guess Mae, but more by POE than anything.

And I haven't heard any arguments against BM that were anything other than policy arguments, and since I like BM's policy I'm certainly not for his lynch! But if someone can point to legitimate scummy thing's he's done, I'll certainly listen to them. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence - but it does mean BM is not my priority.

[Vi]

I had a post, but I lost it...

Maemuki not answering

direct questions

is really bothering me. Nikanor already answered one for her, regarding the existence of a M. Roleblocker.
As for the other one, I'll bring it up again.

what is your read on Nikanor?

Reason for asking:

Nikanor - Lurking.

(...)
I have a town gut read on you, Sotty (I'll believe your meta on Jason, unless of course you flip scum),

Nikanor is lurking,

I forgot yellowbunny, and hitogoroshi...if somebody had explained the case on him, I would have tracked him. I'm not missing anyone, am I?

Vi was the only one I didn't have a read on. I mean,

Vi, Nikanor and hitogoroshi

, and

I chose the one that I really couldn't get a read on by reading the thread so far.

Aka, Vi.

I didn't know "lurking" was a qualitative read.
Your pressure on Nikanor D2 was weak too; while you paid lip service to thinking that he was scummy, you didn't actually do anything about it just as you aren't now.

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Daykill: Battle Mage

What do you mean that won't work?

If

I

don't get to daykill people,

you

don't get to daykill people. <__<

There's several reasons to consider Vi as scum, but this isn't a particularly strong one.

Pika pi?

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And if Mae flips scum, Haylen is confirmed town. No such result works the other way, as far as i'm aware?

I don't understand this.
How does Maemuki-scum automatically make Haylen confirmed Town?

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I don't the townie role

like the rest of you do, but at the end of it i'm always right.

This statement clarification.

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Quite frankly I don't see 'how you the townie role' at all. It seems like you want to read the game, cast a vote, and then do nothing for the rest of the day. That isn't a play style, that's just idiocy. And it doesn't matter how often you were 'right', because even you if pulled these kinds of shenanigans as townie, all that means is that the town won is spite of you, not because of you.

I don't particularly want to lynch you but at the same time I really don't want the town to play around you, because the thought of the town winning and you taking credit for any of the success really pisses me off.

Your entire 'case' on Vi is nothing more than pure OMGUS'y complaining, worse than Jason did D2, and if you honestly believe otherwise you have no place in this game. I really do think you're town, but refusal to play and being hyper-defensive about it is not a 'style', savvy?

Thank you so much for posting this. Except for the part about not wanting to lynch Haylen, although I'm kind of biased against that.

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Haylen - 4 (Sotty7, Vi, jasonT1981, ???)
(...)
With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Wait wait wait.

Unvote: Haylen

Whoever has the doublevote needs to claim. Now.

[jasonT1981]

So, if you aint thr double voter Vi, that logically (in your POV) leaves me or Sotty as the double voter.. I am not the double voter, and by your reaction neither are you...

Sotty? Thats the only person it can now be....I will have to look over some other vote counts though...

[jasonT1981]

OK, not being able to quote the mod is a bitch... blagh

But seriously, I have deducted that the Double voter maybe at random and no one actually knows they are.. look at the paterns of the DV's (Look back at Zach in Iso and this will be confirmed)

No one person, when the double vote is in effect is on EVERY band wagon the DV is in place, therefor I can only deduce that it is randomly assigned each day.

[Vi]

OK, not being able to quote the mod is a bitch... blagh

?
Paraphrase then.

[jasonT1981]

Just look at Zachs posts in Iso relating to the ??? votes. It doesnt seem that no one person is on every wagon.

[Vi]

I think there's a better way to find out, but I'll wait to see if anyone claims it first.

[Battle Mage]

And if Mae flips scum, Haylen is confirmed town. No such result works the other way, as far as i'm aware?

I don't understand this.
How does Maemuki-scum automatically make Haylen confirmed Town?

Because Maemuki-scum slipped that Haylen actually is the Vig.

Anyone claiming the double-vote will be confirmed town for the rest of the game. Pinky pwomise!

BM

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Why didn't the scum block me? Well, what are the chances of me getting an accurate result?

Assuming you're town about 20% of finding who made the kill over two nights. Of course returning info about who didn't make the kill is useful as well because someone did have to make the kill thus to a degree it lowers the suspect pool. All in all it's a stupidly risky maneuver for scum. It becomes even more so when we consider that the most common balancing tool to counter town PRs is a scum roleblocker and we have a vig claiming to have been blocked on N2.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Triple D, thoughts on the players?

If Jason is scum then you're scum. I don't think town Sotty gets a read that wrong so either he's town or you're both scum. I really don't have an effective read on BM and wish our "vig" had killed him last night. Hito is indecisive town. And I have a nasty blind spot on Nikanor, he needs to contribute lots more so we have something to evaluate. And I'm forgetting...

Yer...sure...

I really dont give a crap what you think about how I play. I'm not changing it. And I am always right.

Oh yes, and Haylen is a petulant child and if Mae is town then I fully expect that Haylen is scum.

There's several reasons to consider Vi as scum, but this isn't a particularly strong one.

Pika pi?

Squirtle Squirtle...

You're one of the people that when I don't get an immediately strong town reaction I get bothered. The reason scum killed you in Apennine was your ability to lead the town and I expected to see that when you replaced in on D2 and instead you really contributed less than I would've expected from town-Vi.

[Battle Mage]

DDD should join the Mae wagon, if he genuinely believes that a Mae lynch will guarantee us finding scum.

BM

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD should join the Mae wagon, if he genuinely believes that a Mae lynch will guarantee us finding scum.

BM

I'm already on the Mae wagon, clownshoes.

[Battle Mage]

DDD should join the Mae wagon, if he genuinely believes that a Mae lynch will guarantee us finding scum.

BM

I'm already on the Mae wagon, clownshoes.

Well then, you are doing exactly as you should be! Continue to do so!

BM

[Nikanor]

I think the doublevoter is probably BM, judging by the time at which the ??? vote was placed.

Just look at Zachs posts in Iso relating to the ??? votes. It doesnt seem that no one person is on every wagon.

*Rubs chin* Perhaps the doublevoter cannot be voting the same person twice? That would make for an effective balancing mechanism.
That, and BM has never been on the same wagon as the ??? vote....