Mini 847 Murder in Zachtown (Game over!)

[Battle Mage]

I think the doublevoter is probably BM, judging by the time at which the ??? vote was placed.

Just look at Zachs posts in Iso relating to the ??? votes. It doesnt seem that no one person is on every wagon.

*Rubs chin* Perhaps the doublevoter cannot be voting the same person twice? That would make for an effective balancing mechanism.
That, and BM has never been on the same wagon as the ??? vote....

Erm, how can i be the doublevoter, when the 2nd vote is not with mine? :S

BM

[Nikanor]

Erm, how can i be the doublevoter, when the 2nd vote is not with mine? :S

Did you even read my post?

[Battle Mage]

Erm, how can i be the doublevoter, when the 2nd vote is not with mine? :S

Did you even read my post?

Yep. I didnt see 1 jot of sense in it. But if you'd like to clarify, go ahead.

BM

[Sotty7]

Lol, can i stop you there? I'm not "so against a Haylen lynch". But i think a Mae lynch is better. And if Mae flips scum, Haylen is confirmed town. No such result works the other way, as far as i'm aware?

Well every time she has become a valid lynchable wagon you seem to have an excuse not to lynch her. How does scumMae = Haylentown? Have I missed something?

If Maemuki flips town, and we only have 1 kill tonight, i promise i will join you in lynching Haylen tomorrow. It's still possible Vi is NK immune, in which case Haylen can prove herself tonight by killing someone else.

Eh.... I'll think about it if you can answer my above question.

Sotty? Thats the only person it can now be....I will have to look over some other vote counts though...

Err why? I am not the double voter.

Because Maemuki-scum slipped that Haylen actually is the Vig.

When?

[jasonT1981]

Erm, how can i be the doublevoter, when the 2nd vote is not with mine? :S

Did you even read my post?

Yep. I didnt see 1 jot of sense in it. But if you'd like to clarify, go ahead.

BM

To be honest, his post was very self explanatory in what he meant, the double voter can't have both his/her votes on the one person...

Sotty, I said that before I looked at the patterns.

[jasonT1981]

Triple D, thoughts on the players?

If Jason is scum then you're scum.

not too sure if I like this post. its almost as if you are certain we are both town together or both scum together (Sotty and I)

[Battle Mage]

Erm, how can i be the doublevoter, when the 2nd vote is not with mine? :S

Did you even read my post?

Yep. I didnt see 1 jot of sense in it. But if you'd like to clarify, go ahead.

BM

To be honest, his post was very self explanatory in what he meant, the double voter can't have both his/her votes on the one person...

Sotty, I said that before I looked at the patterns.

*facepalm*

THEN WE DON'T HAVE A DOUBLE-VOTER, DO WE?

I see you pussyfooting around, and think: Scum.

BM

[jasonT1981]

Well....no, you still have a double voter... most people get one vote... someone with two votes regardless of conditions of how they can use it = double voter, no?

And how is it pussyfooting around? I have already stated it is not me. So if I am not the DV I am scum is what your saying by your logic? that's weird logic.

[Nikanor]

THEN WE DON'T HAVE A DOUBLE-VOTER, DO WE?

I am a single-voter. You are a double-voter. You may place your secret vote on any person except for the one on which your normal vote currently resides by sending a private message to the mod with the name of the person who you would like to vote. The reason for why you cannot place your two votes on one person is because the mod doesn't want 9p lylo.
That is what I am thinking about the double-voter, anyway.

[Battle Mage]

THEN WE DON'T HAVE A DOUBLE-VOTER, DO WE?

I am a single-voter. You are a double-voter. You may place your secret vote on any person except for the one on which your normal vote currently resides by sending a private message to the mod with the name of the person who you would like to vote. The reason for why you cannot place your two votes on one person is because the mod doesn't want 9p lylo.
That is what I am thinking about the double-voter, anyway.

I'll tell you what, smart-guy, you'd think if that was the case, someone would have been PMed by the Mod, telling them they can do this? Nobody has claimed this, therefore we do not have a double voter. End of story.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well....no, you still have a double voter... most people get one vote... someone with two votes regardless of conditions of how they can use it = double voter, no?

That's BS son.

And how is it pussyfooting around? I have already stated it is not me. So if I am not the DV I am scum is what your saying by your logic? that's weird logic.

1080.

BM

[Haylen]

hmm...random musing of Haylen: What if all of the bandwagons the ??? vote has been on have been town? It would be useful to have a cop/guilty to test this theory out...

[Haylen]

*been on players who are town...

[jasonT1981]

Well....no, you still have a double voter... most people get one vote... someone with two votes regardless of conditions of how they can use it = double voter, no?

That's BS son.

And how is it pussyfooting around? I have already stated it is not me. So if I am not the DV I am scum is what your saying by your logic? that's weird logic.

1080.

BM

I fail to see how that is a 180?

[Battle Mage]

hmm...random musing of Haylen: What if all of the bandwagons the ??? vote has been on have been town? It would be useful to have a cop/guilty to test this theory out...

That would be convenient for you wouldnt it? xD

Haha, funny boy, Jason! You continue playing dumb. I'll see you hang, make no mistake.

BM

[Maemuki]

I'll tell you what, smart-guy, you'd think if that was the case, someone would have been PMed by the Mod, telling them they can do this? Nobody has claimed this, therefore we do not have a double voter. End of story.

BM

Explain it then. How come ??? exists?

Maybe the doublevoter doesn't want to come out is all.

hmm...random musing of Haylen: What if all of the bandwagons the ??? vote has been on have been town? It would be useful to have a cop/guilty to test this theory out...

Zach iso 37. Following your theory, I'm town. Ta-daaaa~

Because Maemuki-scum slipped that Haylen actually is the Vig.

Ell. Oo. Ell.

Attempt, because obviously 2 kills didn't appear. Only if yellowbunny was her kill, I thought, maybe Mafia's kill has been protected instead. It wasn't. Your point?

what is your read on Nikanor?

No read. Wasn't it obvious?

Haylen...that's it? You reread the entire game? And that's the best you can come with? For. God's. Sakes. If you're going to lurk again and be useless I'll lynch you. We let you go yesterday. No more. Especially that you're blending into the background since I'm the prefered lynch for today.

In addition, why do you believe we have an M. Roleblocker?

I'm

assuming

that Haylen is telling the truth.

So, why was there no kill? Someone:

a. Protected you,
b. Town-roleblocked Haylen,
c. Mafia-roleblocked Haylen,
d. Haylen is lying her teeth off and she isn't the vig.

Somehow, c. seemed more likely. Now I'm thinking that d. is more likely.

Am I missing something, Vi?

[Battle Mage]

I'll tell you what, smart-guy, you'd think if that was the case, someone would have been PMed by the Mod, telling them they can do this? Nobody has claimed this, therefore we do not have a double voter. End of story.

BM

Explain it then. How come ??? exists?

Maybe the doublevoter doesn't want to come out is all.

In that case, we can assume the question mark vote is scum. Although that much was fairly obvious already. But yeh, i have no idea on who it is, or how it works.

Because Maemuki-scum slipped that Haylen actually is the Vig.

Ell. Oo. Ell.

Attempt, because obviously 2 kills didn't appear. Only if yellowbunny was her kill, I thought, maybe Mafia's kill has been protected instead. It wasn't. Your point?

You knew that Haylen hadnt killed YB, when, frankly, the simplest explanation was that she HAD.

Confirm Vote: Maemuki

Note the attempt to self confirm in the post above. lol

BM

[jasonT1981]

hmm...random musing of Haylen: What if all of the bandwagons the ??? vote has been on have been town? It would be useful to have a cop/guilty to test this theory out...

That would be convenient for you wouldnt it? xD

Haha, funny boy, Jason! You continue playing dumb. I'll see you hang, make no mistake.

BM

What is your obsession with getting me lynched?

me thinks BM might be in a lyncher role

[hitogoroshi]

Oh dear lord, not

this

again...

[jasonT1981]

Oh dear lord, not

this

again...

huh?

[Vi]

Posting so you can see my signature.
I'll try to be mentally awake tomorrow.
Apologies.

[Vi]

Because Maemuki-scum slipped that Haylen actually is the Vig.

To take a line from DDD's repertoire, while there are a number of reasons to suspect Maemuki, I don't think that's a very good one.
Why would Haylen attempt to kill yellowbunny?

You're one of the people that when I don't get an immediately strong town reaction I get bothered. The reason scum killed you in Apennine was your ability to lead the town and I expected to see that when you replaced in on D2 and instead you really contributed less than I would've expected from town-Vi.

I have much less time on my hands now than during Appenine.
As far as leading the Town, I'm pretty sure I did a lot of that yesterday.

@Haylen: What is your opinion of Maemuki?

[on Nikanor]

No read. Wasn't it obvious?

Not particularly.
I want to know how you could have used that to weed him out in a PoE like you did.

Nice to see hito is lurking again.

[hitogoroshi]

A buh? It hasn't even been 24 hours since my last post.

And as I said before, I don't think we should be talking overly much about the double-voter. I think it's safe to assume that a townie-doublevoter would have claimed by now (if not, claim next post or die. kthnx) , ergo it's probably a scum double-voter. It seems to me it would be better to try to get evidence to catch scum in their tracks, rather than tell them exactly what we're watching for so they can promptly not do it!

However, in direct contradiction to that last paragraph, I do agree with Nik's observation that it could very well have the constraint to be not allowed with the other vote to prevent 9-p LYLO. Sometime soon I'll try to analyze who is NEVER voting with ???.

Oh and Jason, my last post was an eyeroll because BM was basicially making a joke in reference to D2 (hence the emoticon) and you took it completely straight, basicially begining to replay D2 for us. I have no desire to relive that again, so I confined myself to a simple "really?" post.

[hitogoroshi]

Sometime soon is actually now!

Each Player's First Vote With ???

Netopalis - d1, VC20
DTMaster - d2, VC13
Yellowbunny - None
Nikanor - d2, VC13
Haylen - d2, VC14
Maemuki d2, VC16
Battle Mage - None
jasonT1981 d3, VC3
Sotty7 d3, VC3
Debonair Danny DiPietro - d1, VC20
hitogoroshi - d2, VC13
Vi - d2, VC16

So, if there is a double voter who can't vote the same with both, it's BM. (Or the ghost of yellowbunny.)

I'll have to look back on the double-votes history but I think I would probably be happy lynching BM off of this.

[Zachrulez]

4th vote count of day 3:

Haylen - 3 (Sotty7, jasonT1981, ???)
Maemuki - 2 (Battle Mage, Debonair Danny DiPietro)
Vi - 1 (Haylen)

Not voting (Nikanor, Maemuki, hitogoroshi, Vi)

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

If I made any mistakes, let me know asap.