Mini 201 - Game Over!

[HezLucky]

More thoughts:

- EYNH seems to be changing his votes very quickly...
- he also seems extremely defensive (name calling, "what the hell?")
- we have to lynch someone today and this will probably get us some information, especially as we look at who defends him and what his role turns out to be

Vote stays.

[vikingfan]

Ah, first game back in a while and I die on the first night , people do remember me afterall.

Go scum

Tigris brings up a good point- why would she have been selected by the SK for death(I'll assume the SK until proven otherwise). What differentiated her? Apparently because she was remembered. Yet I looked her up and she hasn't played for a long time- I think only players like DP and Phoebus were around when she was. Food for thought.

Though this may be what the SK wants us to believe too...

[halo freak]

eh i was kind of in a rush yesterday and i somehow forgot tell you guys that nightfall was shot dead in his house and that Someone was beaten up in the street.

Nightfall - neighbourhood watch (shot dead night 1)

Someone now has a posting restriction that means his posts can only be 25 words long.

[Yanqush]

Tigris brings up a good point- why would she have been selected by the SK for death(I'll assume the SK until proven otherwise). What differentiated her? Apparently because she was remembered. Yet I looked her up and she hasn't played for a long time- I think only players like DP and Phoebus were around when she was. Food for thought.

Though this may be what the SK wants us to believe too...

Thats IMO is utter crap logic.... can't really tell from first night kills why these people died. Often its experience, at other times grudges maybe, but mostly its really the luck of the draw..... (at least in more normal games).
Why you(vikingfan) quote a proven scum, a dead one at that, is really quite beyond me.

argh... for a moment there I though we were lucky, appearently not.... Nightfall, Nightfall comeback to us.....

[Someone]

Not sure why disregard kill Yanqush... peculiar tigris dead. Who kill player first game back? Plausible SK killed randomly?

[Blackberry]

So does this mean there is a SK for sure?

[Dragon Phoenix]

Nope, could still be 2x2 mafia as well.

unvote Phoebus
vote vikingfan

very scummy remark, trying to throw suspicion on players without putting your vote where your mouth is.

[vikingfan]

So which one would you have liked me to throw my vote on? Phoebus? You? (I know both of you have been around for a long time) And I believe Someone and Yanqush have also been around for awhile too like Tigris. (feel free to correct me)

Still since you mention it,

unvote Hezlucky

randomvote Phoebus

out of that list of 4.

[Someone]

Remember possibility vig kill tigris.

Unlikely, but possible two vigs...

Why my restriction?

vote:hezlucky

Crap logic. Post 26.

More later

[Yanqush]

Who would want to kill Nightfall then, since he hasn't been around for long?

Why does mafia/sk/whoever choose to kill whoever first night is anyone's guess.... But how would YOU choose a kill?

[HezLucky]

Remember possibility vig kill tigris.

Unlikely, but possible two vigs...

Why my restriction?

vote:hezlucky

Crap logic. Post 26.

More later

And I presume you have better logic, hm?

[Someone]

Post 26...

Changing a vote not indicator of scum.

Also, frustration means town not scum.




I cannot double post

[HezLucky]

Okay, I'll break your double post. Anything more?

[Blackberry]

More thoughts:

- EYNH seems to be changing his votes very quickly...
- he also seems extremely defensive (name calling, "what the hell?")
- we have to lynch someone today and this will probably get us some information, especially as we look at who defends him and what his role turns out to be

Vote stays.

I agree with Someone, HezLucky's post is crap logic.

EYNH changed his vote very quickly, yes, but that doesn't mean he is scum. If he changed it, saw no one was tagging along, and changed it again, then yes, that would be scummy, but he changed it without giving anyone a chance to tag along.

His name calling wasn't horrible, he didn't cuss you out or anything. Hezlucky, you were very quick to change your vote against EYNH, I find that rather suspiscious. He has reason to call you what he did.

** LML, I would still like an answer to why you accused/targeted EYNH when others suggested a SK first.

[kadath32]

HezLucky: Instead of a random vote, some people offer a spurious vote, based on insignificant details (avatar color, OMGUS votes for conduct in previous games, being the first or last to do something, screen names, et al). For all intents and purposes, these are random votes. People find it suspicious when you interpret spurious voting as "trying to find justification for [one's] vote." "What the hell?" is an appropriate reaction to such behavior.

In any case, your attempt to get EYNH bandwagoned for such reasons, and this justification

we have to lynch someone today and this will probably get us some information, especially as we look at who defends him and what his role turns out to be

incline me to think that you're scum.

However, you are not the scummiest player that I see. Vikingfan is.

Tigris brings up a good point- why would she have been selected by the SK for death(I'll assume the SK until proven otherwise). What differentiated her? Apparently because she was remembered. Yet I looked her up and she hasn't played for a long time- I think only players like DP and Phoebus were around when she was. Food for thought.

As Dragon Phoenix pointed out, citing the opinions of proven scum is in itself suspicious. Moreover, a review of Tigris's record shows that she has played games throughout the past year (in February, January, November, and October) in addition to posting in the forum. I don't think that justifies suspecting DP and Phoebus. In addition, were VF to follow that reasoning out, he would have also named Yanqush (and maybe more people) as a possible suspect. In addition, VF ends with

Though this may be what the SK wants us to believe too...

, which adds nothing productive to the discussion and only beclouds the issue. I can't help but wonder at his motives.

Hence:

Vote: Vikingfan

for misrepresenting Tigris's record, crap logic, and generally trying to confuse everything.

FOS: Hezlucky

for being overeager to lynch someone.

[halo freak]

Why my restriction?

because you got beaten up last night and are too weak talk apart from short bursts

[Someone]

I know. I was asking to prompt speculation.

Still think HezLucky scum, willing lynch viking I guess.

vote count, mod?

[kadath32]

Presumably due to someone's night action. However, a character who beats people up during the night does not seem likely to be town-aligned. Perhaps that was what "Mafia Goon" was. Who knows? I'm willing to lynch either Lucky or Viking.

[Phoebus]

Thats IMO is utter crap logic.... can't really tell from first night kills why these people died.

Call me paranoid but I don't like the use of the word "utter" in this comment.
It's a bit too vehement for my liking.If you ask me, Yanq - it's very possible, as well as probable that someone targetted Tigris with a purpose. She is quite solid and can very well be a thorn in someone's side. To disregard this aspect completely is strange.

vote: Yanqush

My previous vote is null now, since Nightfall is dead.

kadath:
A mafia goon is a hitman.
A person who beats someone up seems likely to be a bully and a blocker.

[HezLucky]

Erm... yay, I'm second in scumminess. I'm so happy.

It doesn't look like EYNH is gonna get lynched. I'm still suspicious of him anyway but less so than before...

I'll see the vote count before I say more.

[EnterYourNameHere]

"Mafia goon" is likely the name for a basic mafia member (as opposed to a gf, blocker, whatever). It's what I've seen in most other games.

Anyway:

It doesn't look like EYNH is gonna get lynched. I'm still suspicious of him anyway but less so than before...

I'll see the vote count before I say more.

I interpret this as "no one's going to join with me, so I'll look for another bandwagon to join".

Confirm Vote: HezLucky

. And I'll thrown on a

FOS: vikingfan

, basically for the same reasons kadath said. However, I think HezLucky is the better lynch.

[HezLucky]

Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. That's how I play Day 1.

FOS: EYNH

for being so sure that I'm mafia, even though I'm clearly not.

[Blackberry]

I'm reading everything over and over, I'm probably just too tired to reallly think, LOL. I'll post something better tomorrow.

I've said this twice, but I'll continue to say it until I get my answer because I don't like being unanswered.

** LML, please answer my previous question.

Goodnight everyone !

[vikingfan]

As Dragon Phoenix pointed out, citing the opinions of proven scum is in itself suspicious. Moreover, a review of Tigris's record shows that she has played games throughout the past year (in February, January, November, and October) in addition to posting in the forum. I don't think that justifies suspecting DP and Phoebus. In addition, were VF to follow that reasoning out, he would have also named Yanqush (and maybe more people) as a possible suspect. In addition, VF ends with

Though this may be what the SK wants us to believe too...

, which adds nothing productive to the discussion and only beclouds the issue. I can't help but wonder at his motives.

Hence:

Vote: Vikingfan

for misrepresenting Tigris's record, crap logic, and generally trying to confuse everything.

I believe I also listed Yanqush (after your post, though I hadn't read your post). At the time I was purely reacting to DP and didn't read yours through.

All I was trying to do was to bring up a possible point of discussion on at the time our only death. Should we just regard the killing of Tigris as being totally random? Maybe it was, but we have to start somewhere, and that's what I was trying to do. Maybe I erred by quoting Tigris, but that's what I was trying to do. I was not trying to utilize crap logic, especially since I never once pointed suspicion at a specific individual.

I was not trying to misrepresent Tigris's record, nor was I trying to confuse everything (and how could I confuse everything when I didn't refer to the possibility of an SK, which was also a relevant topic).

[LoudmouthLee]

I did explain, Blackberry. You just haven't read my post. Please refer back to my previous post. It doesnt matter who did it first, it's more of the language.

I'm less fearful, though, of EYNH and more of others. I have been reading the thread and am continue to look for certain things. When I have more to add, I will. As of right now, I think HezLucky may just be new, and not 100% scummy. I, however, would not be averse to a lynch of him.

We'll see what happens, for now, my vote on EYNH stays.