Perfectionist Mafia - Resultas

[FaerieLord]

Unvote, vote almightybob

I think Sanjay is actually right about this.

[Mufasa]

Im voting Suave because that was who my intent to kill was last night, and he wasnt killed.

[EtherealCookie]

They target the person with the ability and they would also select the target

Um, doesn't this mean that all the redirector did was pick Mufasa and pick either Starbuck or My Milked Eek?

How does Mr Suave factor in to this at all?

What's up, Suave-wagon? Are you reading different posts than I am?

Apparently, because I'm still pretty confused about how the redirector works, but I think I get it now.
My question is, why would the redirector pick Mufasa? What made him seem Vigilante? I mean, if the redirector picked wrong, he'd lose his ability, so it's a big risk.

Unvote

[saberwolf]

They target the person with the ability and they would also select the target

Um, doesn't this mean that all the redirector did was pick Mufasa and pick either Starbuck or My Milked Eek?

How does Mr Suave factor in to this at all?

What's up, Suave-wagon? Are you reading different posts than I am?

I addressed this too, but if you look at it from a mathematical standpoint, the odds are greater for suave to be scum than anyone else, simply because he'd be one less person to account for in the redirecting odds.

I think it was a good call for scum to pick mufasa, because he did jokingly daykill me ITT, but could be percieved as a breadcrumb. So the fact that he was targetted could make sense from that. Whoever was targetted [i''m not sure how to show this but i'm certain its true] stands the most likely to be scum. It's like the pick a card game, but in reverse, where the wrong choice was shown, but we choose not to switch.

[EtherealCookie]

Oh right, I can't unvote.

[Snow White]

I dont necessarily think Mr.Swauve is scum. If there is a redirector then he could, as the mod pointed out have chosen Mufasa and Mr.Swauve. What i dont understand is how after my cop claim that i wasnt mistargetted. Ooh well, no action taken here anyway.

Earlier apologies to FaerieLord. Im clearly blind. Anyway. Why the vote on almightybob? My scumdar is not functioning at all in this game but i have found him probably one of the most pro town people in the game thus far.

Clearly im comfortable with my own vote for the minute.

[xRECKONERx]

I'm also very curious to hear about FL's vote on AlmightyBob. Please, FL. Enlighten us.

[manho]

reading up to page 13, and i'll have no time to read/post until tomorrow morning, in my time zone.

SW is still the scum up to page 13 and i'm wondering why he had not been lynched yet before page 13. saber was scumhunting and was pro-town, but he was scumhunting and seemed pro-town in my last game with him where he turned out SK. sanjay is pro-town. gut-feeling for the followings: mufasa-town, xreckonerx-scum, AlmightyBob-scum, dram-scum, mrsuave-town. neutral for the remainings.

[EtherealCookie]

reading up to page 13, and i'll have no time to read/post until tomorrow morning, in my time zone.

SW is still the scum up to page 13 and i'm wondering why he had not been lynched yet before page 13. saber was scumhunting and was pro-town, but he was scumhunting and seemed pro-town in my last game with him where he turned out SK. sanjay is pro-town. gut-feeling for the followings: mufasa-town, xreckonerx-scum, AlmightyBob-scum, dram-scum, mrsuave-town. neutral for the remainings.

He claimed Cop, BloodCovenant claimed cop too, BC was lynched and found to be Godfather, that was the only other person that claimed cop so we're going with SW being cop, I believe.

[almightybob]

I'm still V/LA, but I just had a minute to pop on. I am now banging my head off the keyboard.

Seriously guys, has nobody bothered to read my posts? I've already asked the mod for clarification on the redirector role. Did none of you read his reply? He explained how it works. I can't believe you lot are still voting MrSuave based on that logic, when it's been explained to be wrong by the mod himself.

In case you lot still don't get it, I made a diagram to illustrate it, which I posted back on page 27. If Scenario One was the case, then yes MrSuave would almost definitely be scum. But the mod has made it clear that Scenario Two is the case, which means we can't tell anything about MrSuave's role from the vig claim.

Jesus, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here. All of you, please do me the courtesy of reading what I write.


Also, FL's vote on me seems very random. Are you just using me as a placeholder because you can't unvote? Because I can't see how agreeing with Sanjay makes me at all scummy.

[manho]

@cookie: that's a spoiler!!! you should put it in the spoiler tag!!!

[manho]

finished reading up to n2 ended.

SW is scum. the roleclaim is faked. SW even said he expect a second cop to save himself from a possible counterclaim. and BC said he would skip the analysis and claim cop, probably implying he didn't know SW's claim but his claim is accidentally the same with SW's. why didn't BC just counterclaim cop to save himself and got SW lynched? BC even didn't attempt to vote SW. i don't see why a godfather not trying to get a claimed cop lynched, unless they are indeed scum-buddy.

vote: SW

will continue my read tomorrow.

[MrSuave]

wow, that was the fastest wagon I've seen made on me yet. And did I miss your reasoning for wanting me dead Mufasa?

I am going to say thaaaat.... Dramonic is scum because he's not playing the good old pro town player he was in my game with him as a townie. He's playing more like the scum dramonic that got me killed >=(.

unvote vote:dramonic

also... I have my eyes on you RECONER.... my eyes on you...

[FaerieLord]

I'm also very curious to hear about FL's vote on AlmightyBob. Please, FL. Enlighten us.

It's a placement vote. Almighty bob is towniest to me, so I'm placing it on him as a place holder

[almightybob]

Effectively back from the V/LA.

This Suave wagon piled high verrry fast. There's bound to be some opporunistic scum in there somewhere.

sanjay is pro-town. gut-feeling for the followings: mufasa-town, xreckonerx-scum, AlmightyBob-scum, dram-scum, mrsuave-town

6 questions. Why, why, why, why, why and why?

I agree with your read on sanjay, but that's about it.
Mufasa hadn't done anything to make me think he was particularly Town on D1, Reck has seemed pretty Town to me the whole game, I'm obvTown, dramonic has seemed neutralish and MrSuave hasn't said enough to go either way.

Dramonic is scum because he's not playing the good old pro town player he was in my game with him as a townie. He's playing more like the scum dramonic that got me killed >=(.

Links to the games in question?

[dramonic]

Love ya too Suave XD

Which game are we referring to here, there are kind of a lot ^_^;

[MrSuave]

haha </3

I'm refering to Korlash where you were town, and Pokemon madness where you were scum. All our other games are still not over, so I can't really say anything about them. But I'm seeing more Pokemon here, and not so much Korlash.

Korlash
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

Pokemon
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

those are the links.

[Mufasa]

My reason was you were voting with BC on that last lynch.

[Santos]

Am I still voting Mufasa?

Unvote

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I want to hear what FaerieLord has to say.

[manho]

sanjay is pro-town. gut-feeling for the followings: mufasa-town, xreckonerx-scum, AlmightyBob-scum, dram-scum, mrsuave-town

6 questions. Why, why, why, why, why and why?

I agree with your read on sanjay, but that's about it.
Mufasa hadn't done anything to make me think he was particularly Town on D1, Reck has seemed pretty Town to me the whole game, I'm obvTown, dramonic has seemed neutralish and MrSuave hasn't said enough to go either way.

sanjay was contributing a lot and really scumhunting. and i had stated the reasons for the others, that is gut feeling.

i will give a more detailed analysis after finishing the reading.

[manho]

finally finish the reading.

SW is scum, and i have stated the reason in my last post and his day 2 action doesn't change my stance.

reck is scum, and the case will follow soon.

mufasa is our vig unless zoneace counterclaim.

mrsuave is not necessary scum, as scum need only target mufasa and (starbuck or MME). it shouldn't be a matter why mufasa was targetted by the redirector as it is clearly the fact.

the traitor is helpness, didn't have any power, and even don't know who they need to support.

[almightybob]

reck is scum, and the case will follow soon.

Looking forward to seeing this, since I've not noticed anything to suggest it.

[almightybob]

Although having said that, reck was late onto the suavewagon despite earlier saying he didn't follow the logic behind it.

Reck, why did you vote for Suave and put him at L-2 (if your count was correct) when you said in the post before that you were still confused about elements of his claim and about the mechanics and implications of the redirect?

[manho]

BC's claim is obviously bullshit. Can we just lynch him please.

BC's claim is just the same as SW's claim. so why is reck so sure that SW is telling the truth while BC isn't?

I'm going to take a leap here and assume that Snow White's claim is legitimate, since BC faked his claim. Snow White, do you have results? I'm also gonna go ahead and pre-emptively say Sposh is NOT the lynch for today since BC was voting him, and I don't think he was bussing.

there are just too many assumptions.

Ninja'd. Also, I support the idea of lynching Suave and then using that to determine Mufasa's alignment... though it might be quicker just to lynch Mufasa and get the scum that way =P

so SW is definitely town but Mufasa is definitely scum? they both claimed to be a power role.

The players alive that haven't posted since Mufasa claimed:

Remplacement of DeathNote, Santos, Deuxieme Octopus, MrSuave

drunk epiphanies ftw!

what was The point of Really showing us this, exactly? Are you trying to appear townie? I think you are just trying to appear townie without being pro-town. Tell me: do you think this is really gonna solve anything? OR what? please, let me know... im dying to hear.

there is nothing wrong in sanjay's quote. seems trying to get a mislynch here.

Vote: MrSuave

L-2?

the mod has just given the answer to reck's question, but he ignore the answer and vote mrsuave, who is not necassary the scum with the mod's answer.

in conclusion, reck has a clear bias on SW being town and BC being scum in day 1, which is a clear bussing on BC and defending SW at the same time. and in day 2, he pushed a mufasa lynch, even after mufasa claim vig. and he also pushed a mrsuave lynch, which clearly is not today's best lynch.

[manho]

note that my case is a bit based on SW being scum, so my vote is still on SW and if he flip scum, reck is the other scum.