Newbie 869 - Game over

[SensFan]

Arthur Dent: I really have one question for you. If you had facts on a person, would you vote them? Or do you only go off "gut feeling"... because that's a horrible way to go about this game, IMO.

For what its worth, I play almost entirely by gut.

[jee]

And something has bothering me with ArthurDent

Arthur Dent stuck out a lot to me after his #122. This is a bad case of fensesitting and it stuck out a lot. Scum players can be indecisive because they know who the real mafia is. Its easier for them to not get involved with accusing someone, then it is to lurk and fense sit. After I accused him of it, all he had was:

Arthur Dent wrote:
I'll admit, I'm an indecisive player. I don't like taking sides unless I have a gut feeling.
He blames his very scummy post on his playstyle.

Unvote
Vote: ArthurDent

I'm a bit baffled at how I'm fence sitting. A fence sitting is someone who's torn between two sides, but I've already said that I have one way I'm leaning. So if I am fence sitting, then the two sides are 'am I right? and 'am I wrong?' And if that's scummy, you'll have to explain it to me, because I don't get it.
Plus, I'd rather be an 'indecisive player' than use the erratic play style you've been using.

But would you not agree that an indecisive player is a big scumtell?

[jee]

Also, you pointed out what you were leaning toward after I originally accused you of fensesitting. Now that you say your suspects are 'deer, jee, and elli' which happen to be the 3 under the most fire right now.

And after ur recent vote on elli, since he's my other biggest suspect, I believe this vote from you might be a buss

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Official Vote Count

Arthur Dent - 3 (Kami-Sama, DarkLightA, jee)

jee - 3 (Ellibereth, Deer, Mr Finch)

DarkLightA - 2 (RPG*Twilight, SensFan)
Ellibereth - 1 (Arthur Dent)

Not Voting - 1 ()

5 to Lynch.

Deadline

is the end of Monday, December 7.

[SensFan]

Stop stop stop stop stop.

You

DO NOT

use the word bus on D1. You just don't.

[DarkLightA]

Okay DarklightA, I really just have one question for you.

How do you see yourself helping the town by withholding information?

I'm really curious, because I see no possible way that helps.

Sens knows what I mean.

[SensFan]

What the hell are you talking about?

[DarkLightA]

[Deer]

this:

The fact is that I think Sens is scummy in all games I play with him.

and this:

2. The onyl relevant meta is that in every single game (3? 4?) I have played with DLA, he has been convinced I am Scum, and tunnelled on me pretty much to the exclusion of anyone else. Every time I've been Town.

seem to suggest you have some sort of vendetta against Sens. Now, thinking he's scummy is fine (although I don't right now), but you really have not explained yourself at all, and act like we're idiots for not understanding why you don't like him. Posting the way you are right now is not making you look good. I wasn't going to vote you before, but because you keep acting this way:

unvote, vote: DarkLightA

[Deer]

By the way, happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[RPG*Twilight]

The only thing hesitiating me right now is the fact that there's a chance DLA is only doing this to distract us from other suspects.

So watch out for that. I'm keeping my eye on everything to make sure.

[DarkLightA]

this:

The fact is that I think Sens is scummy in all games I play with him.

and this:

2. The onyl relevant meta is that in every single game (3? 4?) I have played with DLA, he has been convinced I am Scum, and tunnelled on me pretty much to the exclusion of anyone else. Every time I've been Town.

seem to suggest you have some sort of vendetta against Sens. Now, thinking he's scummy is fine (although I don't right now), but you really have not explained yourself at all, and act like we're idiots for not understanding why you don't like him. Posting the way you are right now is not making you look good. I wasn't going to vote you before, but because you keep acting this way:

unvote, vote: DarkLightA

You're going with the flow? Afraid to stick out? THAT's scummy.

Unvote.
Vote: Deer

[SensFan]

The only thing hesitiating me right now is the fact that there's a chance DLA is only doing this to distract us from other suspects.

So watch out for that. I'm keeping my eye on everything to make sure.

He would only be doing that if he's Scum, so voting him is still the right move.

[RPG*Twilight]

Yeah, that's what I round-about way meant to say in that statement. But I am still imploring that we look at all options, keep your eyes looking, etc.

[Deer]

You're going with the flow? Afraid to stick out? THAT's scummy.

Unvote.
Vote: Deer

I think you're scummy. Just because other people do too is your fault, not mine.

[Ellibereth]

I'm back from Thanksgiving, but I'm tired as hell.
I'll read through and post something later today.
Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving.

[Ellibereth]

@Sens: I'll admit I probably used the word the wrong way. My intention was to suggest the possibility of a jee, deer scum pair.

@Art:
What the hell are you talking about. L-2 does not equal a lynch. If anyone had quick hammered they would be scum. Your logic is broken, not mine.

@jee: Oh, we numbered the posts differently. Answer this please: What is buddying and why is it a scumtell?

@DL: I have no idea what the heck you are trying to do. You're intentionally trying to seem vague and saying you'll explain things "postgame"or saying "Sens knows". Those aren't answers.

Unvote, Vote: Darklight

L-1, Claim please.

[jee]

@jee: Oh, we numbered the posts differently. Answer this please: What is buddying and why is it a scumtell?

So we got 103 cleared up? or was there more.

Buddying is agreeing with other people. It is a scum tell when it is used in combination of not including much into the discussion. The scum can use this by just agreeing without actually saying something that may back them into a corner later.

[jee]

And the thing that is pulling me not toward Darklight, is that I don't believe a person would play this way if they had something to hide. But thats maybe what he wants us to think. IDK. I guess a claim would be good now.

[DarkLightA]

I'm town. I thought I'd said that before.

@Deer: please explain your vote.
@Elli: please explain your vote.
@Deer & Elli: Hi scum!

Note to ALL. Here are the previous vote counts. Notice the bolded bits:

SensFan - 1 (DarkLightA)
DarkLightA - 1 (SensFan)
Kami-Sama - 1 (Arthur Dent)
Arthur Dent - 1 (Kami-Sama)
Ellibereth - 1 (RPG*Twilight)
RPG*Twilight - 3 (

Deer

, jee,

Ellibereth

)

Not Voting - 1 (Mr Finch)
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DarkLightA - 1 (SensFan)
Kami-Sama - 1 (Arthur Dent)
Arthur Dent - 1 (Kami-Sama)
Ellibereth - 1 (RPG*Twilight)
RPG*Twilight - 1 (

Ellibereth

)

Not Voting - 4 (DarkLightA,

Deer

, jee, Mr Finch)

First vote count that Elli and Deer aren't together.

---
DarkLightA - 1 (SensFan)
Arthur Dent - 1 (Kami-Sama)
Ellibereth - 2 (RPG*Twilight, DarkLightA)
Deer - 1 (jee)
jee - 1 (

Ellibereth

)

Not Voting - 3 (Arthur Dent,

Deer

, Mr Finch)

Second vote count that Elli and Deer aren't together. Notice how tension is building on Elli.

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Arthur Dent - 1 (Kami-Sama)
Ellibereth - 2 (RPG*Twilight, SensFan)
Deer - 1 (jee)
jee - 3 (

Ellibereth, Deer

, DarkLightA)

Not Voting - 2 (Arthur Dent, Mr Finch)

TATA! Saved

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Arthur Dent - 3 (Kami-Sama, DarkLightA, jee)
Deer - 1 (Mr Finch)
jee - 2 (

Ellibereth, Deer

)
DarkLightA - 2 (RPG*Twilight, SensFan)

Not Voting - 1 (Arthur Dent)

Noting unusual.

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Arthur Dent - 3 (Kami-Sama, DarkLightA, jee)
jee - 3 (

Ellibereth, Deer

, Mr Finch)
DarkLightA - 2 (RPG*Twilight, SensFan)
Ellibereth - 1 (Arthur Dent)

Not Voting - 1 ()

Same here

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Currently, they are both together on me. Deer voted, and in Elli's next post, he followed.

Please take this into consideration after my lynch

Sincerely,
DarkLightA[/b]

[Mr Finch]

I have no idea where to go with this, I need to re-read the last couple of pages. I will be back later.

I am not 100% convinced that DLA is Scum, but I will happily stand corrected.

[DarkLightA]

Deer voted, and in Elli's next post, he followed.

Before saying that Elli had a post in between, I'd like to say that that was a post that was posted in all his games.

[SensFan]

I am not 100% convinced that DLA is Scum, but I will happily stand corrected.

If you're waiting to be 100% convinced, then you won't be voting anyone in any game you ever play.

DLA is almost certainly Scum for his play today.
Elli is almost certainly Scum for her play earlier.

[Mr Finch]

Okay, 100% is too much.

I have re-read and the players that are standing out for me are DLA and Elli. I have hassled Jee for most of the day and the defence he has come back with, I am satisfied at the moment that he's town.

DLA's "last plea" was nothing more than "oh, I'm town" and then a list of the vote patterns. Not much of a defence is it?

DLA seems to be conveniently ignoring that Deer already explained the reason for the vote in post 158 while Elli gave a sort-of explanation in 166.

Personally I am not sure right now that Elli is scum. I am convinced that DLA is and Deer or Elli is the scumbuddy.

I have ummed and ahhed for the last 90 minutes over this but I think it's the right move.

Vote DarkLightA

[Mr Finch]

It then took me a preview to be sure before I hammered. Aargh! It's done now - never done it before!