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Igor Schultz Townie
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/comfirm in.
LEON. Are you saying that people think they know who is scummy before they first post? and that every vote has good logical reasons this early in the game? Thus you are impling that we are all supper cops have esp, and never vote in RV. RVS is to start an early band wagon not to toss real votes on scummers around. However the scum will most likly not vote for one of their buddys, but other then that rvs votes are as good as that.-
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Leon Dreyfus Townie
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Jaime Marcelle Goon
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Leon, I think you need to look at this one part of Igor's post that you seemed to ignore.
Igor wrote:LEON. Are you saying that people think they know who is scummy before they first post?and that every vote has good logical reasons this early in the game?Thus you are impling that we are all supper cops have esp, and never vote in RV. RVS is to start an early band wagon not to toss real votes on scummers around. However the scum will most likly not vote for one of their buddys, but other then that rvs votes are as good as that.
None of the votes in the RVS are logical or have good reasoning. and also, all random votes are more are less random thus the random part of the random vote. Lets use your example: The reasoning is Player A has no votes. What if he did have votes and someone else didn't? See, random. Who they vote is based on who has votes and who doesn't.-
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Jaime Marcelle Goon
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EBWOP- Thae last part of my post didn't show up.
No vote in the RVS has a logicay good reason. Also, all votes in the RVS are more or less random. Lets use your example: PlayerA is getting voted because there are no votes on him. Suppose PlayerA DID have votes while Player B didn't. The voter would vote PlayerB, not PlayerA. Since on the RVS stage both players are equally likely of getting voted it is random on who the voter in this example will vote. The vote depends on who has votes and who doesn't.-
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Leon Dreyfus Townie
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Gerhard Krause Goon
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Claude Lefevre Townie
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Pretty philosophical, I daresay... of course nothing is really random, even a computer-based generator of random numbers is actually semi-random... problem is, that we do not want to waste too much time investiganting potentially useless psychological facts. For instance I think I RV-ed, but perhaps my subconscious did not like the avatar of the person I voted... interesting, but unuseful to the game, in my opinion.-
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Emile Buchard Townie
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This random vote non-sense isn't getting us anywhere. Seriously guys, this isn't helping. We need to stop speculating about game theory and start scum-hunting. You talk about that in the Mafia Discussion forum (and I'm sure it would be an interesting discussion there) but this stuff really doesn't matter.
I do think that the discussion is between townies, though, as both Jamie and Lean seem like they want to move the game along. It's still too early to make any clear reads, though.This is a signature. It represents things that you say when you have nothing better to do.-
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Igor Schultz Townie
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Jaime Marcelle Goon
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malthusis Mafia Scum
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Otto Ulbreicht Townie
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Igor Schultz Townie
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Gerhard Krause Goon
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Usually, but if the wagon is baseless it csn just go on for a while and no useful discussion will come of it.
Igor - How many games of mafia have you played? How many themed games?
You are treading on a very thin line. Igor may say how many games he has finished, but he may not tell you exactly which ones he was in.-
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Andrew Lemarchand Townie
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Tracey Morris Townie
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It's not really a plan, per se; but rather a request (or order). I would ask to hear more of your so-called plan as to why you want everyone to vote for you. I agree, asking people to vote for you is just like self voting.Edward Smilie wrote:
to all : i was in another game and one of the player suggested the other player vote for himself.
in this case, i want the you guys to vote me..
what do you think if i say you guys scum if don't follow my plan?-
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Claude Lefevre Townie
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@Edward: since we cannot get any meta, cuz of the alts, I would say that your "plan" is pointless... the right reaction would be voting you right now, cuz your attitude is almost identical to self-vote, which is normally a pretty silly attempt by scums to look confident in their own innocence. You are now the best candidate to become the target of a bw. But I keep my vote where it is, for the moment, and I want to know your justification for posting such an invitation.
About the last question: what do YOU say if I say you are scum if you don't do what I want? LoL I guess you would say I am an idiot. So you have my answer to your point.-
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Leon Dreyfus Townie
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malthusis Mafia Scum
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Half an hour after the deliberations start, you hear the bell marking noon (and lunch). The head scientist says "Since you're preoccupied with these deliberations right now, I'll go get lunch for all of you. We just got a new shipment of supplies in today from the mainland, and some of them aren't military rations for once!" You can hear Edward drool over the thought of actual food coming in, and the scientist runs out of the doors of the Sub Pen, with a huge click of the door locking behind him.....
The Second Vote Count of Day 2:
Jaime Marcelle:2 (Otto, Edward)
Leon Dreyfus:1 (Claude)
Gerhard Krause:1(Leon)
Igor Schultz:1 (Andrew)
Claude Lefevre:1 (Jaime)
Edward Smilie:2 (Tracey, Gerhard)
Stuart Whyte:1(Spencer)
Not Voting:3 (Stuart, Emile, Igor)
Notes:
1.Edward is being prodded.-
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Emile Buchard Townie
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Edward, you said that if we didn't vote for you that we were scum. Well, you aren't voting for yourself, so by your own logic, you are scum. Explain
Gehard is meta-fishing, that's true, but is that scummy? I personally think that meta benefits the town more than scum. Still, Igor is under no obligation to answer.
Be back with more later.This is a signature. It represents things that you say when you have nothing better to do.-
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Emile Buchard Townie
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Okay, it's later. Here's some more:
Otto was the one who started the whole dice deal. While you could make the argument that it was just as random as the other votes, he still gains some scum points.otto 17 wrote:It was close between two people....while I hate twilight and new moon references, and wish to vote for the one who made them, someone else deserves my vote more:
vote:Jaime Marcelle
For using a dice to determine your RVS vote to avoid responsibility for your actions.
Dice = anti-town
Furthering the fruitless RVS discussion without taking a stance either way. If you look at it right, this post could easily be the first post in a topic in Mafia Discussion. What ensues is pretty much what you'd expect as replies in that topic.Leon 21 wrote:Jamie Marcelle wrote: How does using a dice avoid responsibility other then any other random vote? It's just as random as anything else.
Also I reccomend everyone get an avatar. It's easier (for me at least, I'm not sure about everyone else) for me to tell everyone apart.
Many feel that using a dice method to cast your votes is not showing your own responsibility of casting a vote, and man feel, as well, that it is Anti-Town. With that being said, some view it also as policy lynch worthy. What do you think?
Leon 34 wrote:If it's policy lynch worthy? Why wouldn't it be? I see no reason for why it wouldn't be beneficial. That is, asking the question itself.
Pushing the discussion even more and asking more questions. Looking back, really only two posted more than one response to the whole RVS deal. Those two people were Leon and Jaime. Jaime was defending himself, though, so much of the blame for the whole RVS deal could be thrown on Leon.Leon 49 wrote:Thanks for clarifying. But you are utterly wrong. Hardly any RVS votes are random. They have a reason for voting that player, which they will pass of as a random vote.
Example"Hmm, player A doesn't have any votes."
"Sup, guys!
Vote: Player A"
@Leon, why were you asking those questions about the RVS?\
@Otto, was your vote on Jaime just another random vote, or was there a real reason for it?This is a signature. It represents things that you say when you have nothing better to do.-
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Otto Ulbreicht Townie
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Why do I gain scum points? Think about this for a second:Emile Buchard wrote:Okay, it's later. Here's some more:
Otto was the one who started the whole dice deal. While you could make the argument that it was just as random as the other votes, he still gains some scum points.otto 17 wrote:It was close between two people....while I hate twilight and new moon references, and wish to vote for the one who made them, someone else deserves my vote more:
vote:Jaime Marcelle
For using a dice to determine your RVS vote to avoid responsibility for your actions.
Dice = anti-town
@Otto, was your vote on Jaime just another random vote, or was there a real reason for it?
I gave a reason that was just as valid as any other RVS vote reason, and if you deny this, you are a hypocrite.
I am not scum for bringing this up. Two things in the RVS that will get you policy votes are self votes and dice rolls for ways of voting. When I saw Jaime roll dice for his vote, I took the policy vote stand, as for the most part it is scum who do it to avoid vote responsibility. If anything, one of those who agreed with me and/or joined the BW is scum [if Jaime isn't scum] I made the stand, and the fact that others supported my stand either implies that I was right [not earning mr scum points but rather town points], or there are opportunistic scum with me.
What do you have to say now?
Oh, and good to know who Chaco is now lol-
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Otto Ulbreicht Townie
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