Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

[popsofctown]

Vote Count, Day 3

hiphop ( 2 ) - Sotty7 - RayFrost
shotty to the body ( 0 )
fhqwhgads ( 0 )
hitogoroshi ( 1 ) - Pads
Idiotking ( 4 ) - roflcopter - RedCoyote - SpyreX - Shotty to the Body
Xylthixlm ( 0 )
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
Zakeri ( 0 )
RayFrost ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 0 )
roflcopter ( 0 )
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 0 )
Unvote ( 7 ) - fhqwhgads - hitogoroshi - idiotking - zakeri - popsofctown - Xylthixlm - hiphop
Total Votes ( 14 )

With 14 alive, 8 needed to reach a majority.
Deadline is at December 12th, 4pm EST

ugh, i like 1348.

Maybe i should just proxy my vote to Spyrex and go take a nap.

[roflcopter]

idiotking is not only connected to elvis. imaginality constantly made mid grade attacks against imag, but left his vote on e-penguin the entire day instead of ever backing them up. thats much more damning than anything having to do with e_k.

[RayFrost]

<---- prefers lynching hito

<--- will go with an IK lynch if the above doesn't happen

vote: hito

[popsofctown]

idiotking is not only connected to elvis. imaginality constantly made mid grade attacks against imag, but left his vote on e-penguin the entire day instead of ever backing them up. thats much more damning than anything having to do with e_k.

If that was mentioned, i missed it.

That's a good reason.

[Idiotking]

There's nothing I can say about imaginality because I wasn't the one who did the thing that makes me "scummy". Coupled with the elvis thing and the CSL lynch, I really have nothing I can actually defend against. Ho hum.

Before I die, though, I'd like to say that Ray is still most likely scum, and RC is looking that way too. Not for OMGUS, but more because his case against me sucks. In reality his case can only encompass the CSL thing, and voting for me because of my actions on a single bandwagon, in this game which is now 55 pages long, is very weak.

I also wanna point out that throughout this game I've been on most people's scumlists, so mafia could have just had me on their lists to go along with general opinion.

[Idiotking]

Also I'm thinking that there are two scum left.

[Shotty to the Body]

Also I'm thinking that there are two scum left.

Why?

[Idiotking]

Three scum are dead, one was a traitor. To my thinking it would have been fair to have two 2-man scumteams and one traitor that either of the scumteams could recruit.

[Sotty7]

I've only caught up from page 30, too. I'm going to have a long day regardless.

Sotty- I don't think you saw this in his second post. Considering it was page 35. Also with his most recent post, it looks like he is still trying to make sense of day one, which is imo still reading.

Eh, first point I could probably give you. He has posted, but he was lurking before that IMO, but yeah....

To the second point I have a question. Why not? As in why not place your vote on the scummiest person in a large game until you have a chance to review other players? It's not like you are going to be quick lynched

and

it gets my opinion on record. (As for the reads, they are coming. Yes I know pot/kettle/black but I am working on them)

I also want to point out the fact that if you (the town) keep lynching people based on the fact that "oh dude this guy is scum and hes dead and we should so totally lynch the people he said were scum cuz his buddys in there im sure of it" we're not really going to get anywhere.

What do you think we should do then? Who is scum? Why?

[Idiotking]

Before I die, though, I'd like to say that Ray is still most likely scum, and RC is looking that way too. Not for OMGUS, but more because his case against me sucks. In reality his case can only encompass the CSL thing, and voting for me because of my actions on a single bandwagon, in this game which is now 55 pages long, is very weak.

The only contact that Ray and imaginality had was one (very brief) conversation in which imaginality said Ray was ever-so-slightly-scummy, and where Ray said he'd completely forgotten about imaginality. Then they proceeded to stop talking to each other again.

Beyond the appeal to emotion, I'm bothered by Ray's disinterest in unique scumhunting (his first discussion with me was completely based off of Hoopla's argument, even though he tried passing it off as his own), his inability to form opinions on controversial subjects (Vi, for instance), and as you and RedCoyote hinted at, Ray's 978 and 980 are sad. If I wasn't voting for elvis, I'd probably be voting for Ray, followed by Vi.

[Idiotking]

A multi-word apology doesn't do it for me. Especially with the "you want me to strangle myself" after.

I'm definitely not subscribing to the elvis list being a rosetta stone for scum.

However the bad-dog pose with the puppy dog eyes does little for me.

And painting all the votes as if they are a function of that, well.

Unvote, Vote: IK

And I just wanted to point out that as with roflcopter bringing up the imaginality scumlist, several people

are

using dead-mafia scumlists as "rosetta stone

".

[Xylthixlm]

People that spyrex find to be townies have an extreme propensity to die - this strikes me as scummy, but of course there's some WIFOM in there as well (being that it would be so blatantly obvious as scum.)

I'm not going to be shocked if SpyreX is a second traitor-vig. I'm not going to be shocked if he's town either.

[SpyreX]

Xyl I have the greatest love/hate relationship with you this game. I swear.

Pickin' out town seems to be a LOT easier than picking out scum (especially when I SUPER don't have whatever the Konami code is to get them lynched).

IK not putting up a fight is... baffling. I don't like it but I'm having a hard time sorting out if the more it goes on its because I think he's scum OR if its just such a drastically different method of approaching the issues that is makes me think he's scum.

That said I've got THREE other solid town reads that apparently I better not say because then they die.

[Idiotking]

Ray, what's your scumlist and why?

[popsofctown]

At least he's going down somewhat more gracefully than maemuki.

Rayfrost is pretty ridiculously under the radar. "I'm lurking to get into the mindset of lurkers", which is pretty bad reasoning.

Ray, is idiotking scum? Why or why not?

[SpyreX]

.... Did Ray SAY that?

Have I missed a glowing lynch me sign?

[Idiotking]

Also, I'm trying a new playstyle so I can get in the head of town-lurkers like mae.

It helps.

In response to:

RayFrost is lurking like a beast here, even more scummily than some others. Rayfrost chimes in every now and again with some fluff (reread his ISO, it's more fluff than content at this point) and then vanishes. Hell, I knew something was up with him when I FORGOT him in my first post, he's skimming in under the radar fantastically. At the very least I would like to have him get in the game and if we have to force him to do that with votes so be it.

[Idiotking]

So basically, yes.

[Idiotking]

Also, am I voting for him right now?

Unvote

Vote RayFrost

in case I wasn't.

[popsofctown]

Yes, Spyrex, you did. Quit sleeping.

I don't see why the town is yanking on thready connections instead of using independently scummy material like that.

[Idiotking]

*sigh*

Why is it whenever I'm hyperactive that everyone slows down with the posting?

[Idiotking]

Look, it's been a total of

nineteen minutes

since someone else posted. We're never going to lynch by the deadline if it keeps going like this.

[popsofctown]

there's a deadline?

[Xylthixlm]

Stop being more hyperactive than I am.

[Idiotking]

Since I'm bored with waiting,

@Town: Do you believe that Ray has been getting off easy despite lurking/going with the flow/having absolutely zero redeeming qualities?