Here's an interesting question for you:popsofctown wrote:I did fail to notice a cost, true.
That cost still doesn't override 2 daykills though. 2 daykills is 2 daykills.
This isn't a vote on a "lurking vote" I was the first one to bring Rayfrost up yesterday. This is a cheap ploy to try and satisfy your unexplainable urge to lynch me. Not lynching claimed scum is stupid.SpyreX wrote:Hence the vote on one of the fairly lurking votes that led us to this spot.
I mean, realistically we could 180 and go back to hiphop or IK.
Bullshit votes make me angry, nothing further. I'm really quite tired of Spyre's pet lynch list.popsofctown wrote:Shotty, you've just been weak and sheepy for the latter part of today. Voting you makes you talk. See?
Because he put non-scummy people on it and he never actively pursues their lynch beyond mindless cries for them to die?popsofctown wrote:post 1577 is content.
Spyrex's pet list makes me curious, as almost none of his pets seem to die.
Yeah I've tried to be reasonable with you and I'm sick of your shit this time around. Post your fucking case, making threats and alluding to your supposedly awesome case doesn't help anyone.SpyreX wrote:You know what the best part about that is?
Every other time he's brought up my desire to see that spot lynched since the days of Budja it's been mellow yellow.
This time, SERIOUS BUSINESS.
Now, if I'm around tomorrow I'll give you a real case. Doubly so if we kill RF and get woosh.
If I'm dead just assume I gave a lot of awesome words and lynch them both for me. Or, at the VERY least I want at least TWO of you sillies to go through and iso him real close. Real real close.
I'm not saying SK affirms it. My main reason for suspecting that scumteam is IK 1363 and Ray's subsequent super-scummy give up flumph. Claiming SK seems to be something no scum would do (to some at least; I don't see why not personally) but the funny thing is that the whole SK thing can be seen as a digression. If we lynch RF and it turns out he's scum, whether or not he flips SK makes no difference in terms of the boost to IK's town cred (as this quoted post suggests). I'm not saying an SK claim proves RF/IK scumteam, but it doesn't disprove my reason for originally thinking so and I don't think having a pet SK is worth trying to rush a quicklynch on someone else when an RF lynch is by his own admission eventually necessary and I'd really like find out if he's telling the truth.popsofctown wrote: Hito, your IK/RF is a ridiculous pipe dream. IK would get just as much townie cred, hypathetically, if RF didn't claim SK and flipped scum. (there's any number of ways he could have exploded if he wanted to be lynched). There's not really a motivation for RayFrost to claim SK as scum here. If he wanted to last one more night, he'd claim some power role, not something that has a 80% chance to get him lynched anyway.
Because you don't want to lynch him.popsofctown wrote:You can't wait 1 day to find out? Even one? I don't see any reason to doubt his claim either. I mean, when someone claims Cop with 2 day kills, you should be suspicious, but when someone gets absolutely as close as you can get to claiming scum, why doubt their claim?
This was before Ray's claim. I would fine-tune it but the core principle is essentially the same - I find your bi-polar hop extremely scummy, and the fact that it started with a single pointed argument on ray suggests he's your scum partner and his throw away statements were...before I would have said, painting an obvious target on himself because he wanted to leave and this way it would be a good tactic for him to do so. But now I'd have to tweak it to, painting an obvious target on himself because his plan was to claim sk anyway.hitogoroshi wrote:RayFrost wrote: hiphop is scummy for the reasons others have stated that I cba to rememberಠ_ಠ
Normally I would like the IK attack on ray, but not in this context. IK was doing the defeated townie thing for a while there, but then at 1363 it was like a switch was flipped.
I really get the feel that IK-scum was like, "I'm just gonna act like a defeated townie would - oh wait! I can bus my scum partner instead! 1363!"
And ray was like "aw **** it, I'm bored of this game anyway. I guess I'll just say the most throwaway, lackadaisical things I can to piss everyone the hell off, get me out of this game on the Necktie Express, and give some townie credit to my scum partner."
Of course it could also be IK-town acting like a defeated townie because he WAS a defeated townie, and then saying, "Oh wait! I could tryactually contributinginstead of moping and whining at everyone! 1363!" But the first seems to make more sense to me in this context.
Since there's no danger of a quick-hammer in plurality, I'm gonna join the party andvote: Rayfrost. And if he flips scum we should consider an IK lynch next for such quality reasons as
because that kind of throws a wrench in the idea that he was a defeatist townie who tried to save himself via activity. That explanation only works if you are cognizant of the idea that you were, in fact, being defeatist and not contributing and saying woe is me.IK 1404 wrote: Never did I say "woe is me". I didn't give up, as you seem to indicate. To me an appeal to emotion involves a sort of "you're gonna feel sorry for lynching a townie" sort of thing going on, or "everybody's picking on me, I didn't do anything wrong".
Thank you a million times for being the only one with a little common sense. Shame on Spyrex and pops for trying to take it upon themselves to assign the lynch with 24 hours to go!Xyl 1512 wrote:Theremightbe some value in leaving RayFrost alive and continuing to debate, but we no longer have that option. Right now, with 24h to get a lynch, RayFrost is by far the best candidate. I know there's a possibility of benefit from leaving him alive but it's nowhere near the downside of rushing a lynch on someone else in 24h.
This reeks of slime. You have no pro-town agenda, and you are trying to set our agenda. No, weRF 1524 wrote:You already know my alignment and who I've killed, making my flip moot.
As such, lynching me provides no new information whatsoever.
Xyl, you pushing for the lynch of a town-directed daykill or two is really coming across as scummy.
Then get your vote back on!Idiotking 1527 wrote:This is all assuming that Ray is in fact the SK and not scum. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case, since the real SK (if there is one) wouldn't be able to counterclaim.
Ugh...Spyrex 1585 wrote:waste this lynch on the SK
I agree with this.Xylthixlm wrote:popsofctown: Look at it this way. We have someone who we absolutely need to lynch some time before the end of the game. If we lynch someone else today, we will have to lynch RayFrost eventually. So what's the effect of instead lynching RayFrost today and someone else later? We lose the SK-directed kill, but we gain more information when we eventually lynch someone who isn't RayFrost. This was a close decision before we learned that majority had been reached; throw in the fact that we need to decide the lynch in 24h, and I think RayFrost is clearly the best option.
I understand where you are coming from, but remember, we have the choice to lynch a known anti-town role, versus lynching an unknown and opening up the daykilling of more unknowns. Having more than one daykill may put us closer to lylo/mylo than we might be aware of. Having a non-town powerole will be a very bad thing then.pops wrote:Quit sticking to "rules of thumb". Analyze the pros and cons of this decision and tell me it's right to lynch him without appealing to some rule of thumb that has some stronger rationale hiding behind it. The very phrase rule of thumb implies there's exceptions, this is one of them.
*wipes away tear* That is such a sad story... dude... you TOTALY have won me over. I'll remove my vote later.RayFrost wrote:I can't win, really. As such, I'll do what I can to at once maximize my chances of winning. Doing so minimizes scum's chances while also helping the town's.
See pops, we're already getting information from this lynch.Xylthixlm wrote:Because you don't want to lynch him.
...and so you should not. Neither should the rest of town.Idiotking wrote: Though don't think I'm going to forget your little meltdown, fqwoiupoiashdgzxcvkmn.
